April 18, 2015

Surgeon General Uses Elmo to Sell Vaccines to Minors

It is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

It is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

Children cannot make informed consent decisions, so it is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

But that is what the Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, MD, MBA is doing.  And his target audience is three and a half year olds. While not so subtlety taunting those who are resistant to vaccinating.

The Surgeon General met with Elmo, a three and a half year old monster, to tell him that vaccines are safe.  I guess he didn't feel that a three and a half year old would understand what it meant if he said that vaccines were legally classified as "unavoidably unsafe," so that makes it OK to lie to him?

Elmo apparently believes the unethical government propaganda targeted at the the three and a half year old monster, as he shows up to the doctors office to get a shot.  Note that neither Elmo or his legal guardians are given the CDC Vaccine Information Sheet that the nurse is required by law to give him or his parents before a vaccine is administered. How will Elmo know that the adverse outcomes of some vaccines include seizures, coma, paralysis, brain damage and death?  What about Elmo's right to free, prior and informed consent?   Did they even ask his parents any questions to screen for potential vaccine reactions?

No need... "vaccines are safe,"  right?

One parent whose child has had some very severe adverse reactions was a bit concerned about this turn of events, so she decided to check in on Elmo and this is what she found:

Oh THAT'S why some people don't vaccinate!  Thanks for the lesson Elmo!

And now here's a baby with a vaccine induced seizure disorder.  She had 16 of them that day.

It is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

You can remind the Surgeon General of that inconvenient fact at:





My comment to Murthy on his hew fb page:

"Elmo has an excuse for believing that vaccines are "safe" and can "keep you healthy." He is only three years old. You on the other hand are a responsible grown up and an MD and THE top public health official and should know that vaccines are legally classified as "unavoidably unsafe" per the US Supreme Court, and can cause serious adverse out comes including seizures, coma, paralysis, brain damage and death in some people.


Remove this unethical video. It defines propaganda to children. Three year olds are not able to participate in informed consent in medical decision making and it is UNETHICAL to direct marketing messages to them.

Further, there is an upsetting irony to this particular piece of propaganda. Many vaccine injured teens and adults, with serious brain damage and developmental disabilities, love Elmo. It is a slap in the face to those families. Especially when it ends with taunt at vaccine resistant families, "why doesn't everyone get a vaccination?" as if there was no federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program that has paid out $3 billion in damages to 4000 vaccine injury and death cases.

Vaccine injury families are suffering, few can get proper care for their children, and this rubs salt in the wounds."


Jeffrey Jaxen furthers the argument with a much less sarcastic piece:

Surgeon General Targets Children, Violates FTC & FDA laws?


Marco Cáceres remarks on how aggressive and comprehensive this vaccine push is:

Vaccines: It's Elmo's World


Video of Elmo's regression has surfaced:


Murthy's bullshit response to parental complaints, where he doubles down that in his non qualified, false claim that vaccines are "safe."

U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy Responds To A We The People Petition On Vaccinations
"Hello, I’m Dr. Vivek Murthy, the Surgeon General of the United States. I want to thank you for taking time to sign a “We the People” petition on the issue of mandatory vaccines.
I understand you are concerned about laws that require individuals to be vaccinated, including those which require children to have certain vaccines as a prerequisite to attending public schools, group activities and daycare. I know that many of you are parents who are concerned about your children’s health and safety.
When I started this job, I traveled around the country during the height of a measles outbreak and heard from parents who have deep-seated fears about the potential side-effects of vaccines. I know you want only the best for your children. I do, too. Others of you may have signed this petition because you object to the idea that government should be able to require anyone to get a vaccine. You may ask if government should be able to tell people what to inject in their bodies? That is a reasonable question to ask. I understand your fears and I appreciate your concerns. Safeguarding your rights and upholding the responsibilities of a government that is dedicated to serving its people is one of my greatest privileges and most important duties as your Surgeon General. That is why I want you to know that the evidence on the safety and benefit of vaccines is strong
and consistent: Vaccines are safe and effective ways to prevent disease and death. I join healthcare leaders and public health experts from around the world in supporting childhood vaccination programs.
Most of us grew up in a time when we didn’t have to live through terrible epidemics that killed millions of children and adults.
We can be grateful for that. It was because of vaccines that we have been spared the tragedy of past epidemics.
For example, before the development of the measles vaccine, many children contracted measles and died in the United States every year and even more were hospitalized. After the introduction of the vaccine, the number of infections and deaths dropped precipitously. Measles is a highly contagious disease. If you aren’t vaccinated and are exposed, you have a 90 percent chance of getting it.
We know that measles spreads when an infected person breathes, coughs or sneezes. It spreads so easily that if one person has it, nine out of 10 people close to that person will also become infected unless they are vaccinated or otherwise immune.
In fact, you can get measles just by being in the same room as a person who has it – even several hours after that person has left.
As a doctor, I know that one of the most important things people can do to protect their children from diseases like measles is to get them vaccinated.
And not vaccinating your children doesn’t just affect your own kids. It affects other kids too.
Consider this: some people cannot get immunized for medical reasons – for example, due to an allergic reaction or compromised immune system. And a small percentage of people won’t develop immunity even though they receive a vaccine.
These children and adults who cannot receive or do not respond to vaccines rely on the rest of us to be vaccinated in order to protect them from exposure to life-threatening illnesses. It’s called “herd immunity” and it’s based on the concept that we are part of a social structure that requires us to take responsibility for one another.
That is why getting vaccinated is more than an issue of personal choice or religious preference. It is also a matter of public policy, where one person’s decision affects another person’s health.
Our individual liberties to live on our own terms cannot interfere with our social responsibility to protect others from harm.
We inhabit this planet with more than 7 billion people. And every day, we have to make accommodations – great and small – to live and work and learn and play in the communities we share.
Laws regarding vaccine requirements and exemption policies are determined by your state and local governments.
Right now, all states in the U.S. require children to be vaccinated against certain communicable diseases as a condition of school attendance.
There are some employers – such as health care facilities and day care centers – that require vaccinations to protect their employees as well as their customers.
If you have specific questions about what vaccines to get and why, I encourage you to talk to your doctor.
In recent years, there has been some inaccurate information circulating about vaccines – mostly stemming from a British study linking vaccines to autism.
Please know that this study and its assertions have been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. It’s not true and the confusion it has generated has been both dangerous and counterproductive to public health.
So let me be absolutely clear: there is no link between the measles vaccine and autism. In closing, I want you to know that it is understandable to have concerns and questions about how to keep your children healthy and safe.
For those of you who are parents – as I hope to be someday – you may have questions about which vaccines are being administered at a specific doctor’s visit and how to recognize and manage any potential side effects.
I always encourage parents to raise these kinds of questions with their children’s health care providers who are trained and experienced in handling vaccines.
When it comes to keeping our nation strong, healthy and secure, we all have a role to play. Vaccinations are one of the great triumphs of science and public policy. Through vaccines, we eliminated the scourges of polio, smallpox and so many childhood diseases that once plagued our nation.
The best way to benefit from these advances in medicine is to get the necessary vaccines for you and your family.
If you have further questions about this topic, please visit www.vaccines.gov. Thank you again for participating in this “We the People” petition.
Our democracy works best when everyone participates in constructive public dialogue."

April 16, 2015

A Note on Who You May or May Not Want To Follow in the California Fight on SB 277

Hey Californians! First... brilliant job yesterday and for the last several months on educating your Senators on the insanity of SB 277! Cried watching the hearings, and laughed/danced at the outcome. The pressure needs to stay on, but I will be shocked at this point if the bill is not dead this time next week. We should plan an online party next wed night! (Sure I'm getting ahead of myself, but we need some happy time after all this, don't we?)

But on to more somber and less fun topics.

The fight on this bill in CA has woken up and brought in so many new people to the war to defend our parental and health choice rights, which is wonderful! WELCOME TO YOU ALL! STAY IN THIS FIGHT! THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE! But unfortunately it also risks allowing shills, trolls, spies, and the just plain troublesome people into the fold as well, as has happened many times before. (I now get AT LEAST one troll a day trying to friend me on FB.)

As there have been some questions about a couple of the new people taking leadership positions about which there have been concerns, and as I am one of those people who vets newcomers to make sure they are legit and safe, etc, I was asked by some people in CA to look into WTF was going on. This is my WTF report. It represents the findings and opinions of me, myself and I, and is in no way associated with any group that I have worked for, orgs that I am affiliated with, individuals that I know, people that I may or may not be married to, or humans to which I have given birth. Buck stopping here, etc, etc.

So one of the many FB groups that has popped up to fight SB 277 is a group called Our Kids Our Choice (sister group is  Our Kids,Our Choice Community). It was started by a woman named Kristin Hundley and one of the admins there is another woman named Elizabeth Hanson. They started the group in February, and it has quickly grown to almost 7,000 people. They were working with the larger coalition of groups, called the California Coalition for Health Choice (not formally affiliated with HealthChoice.org of which I am in leadership), which includes many of our more well known activists who have been working on these issues for a decade or more.

Long story short, Ms. Hundley, and to a lesser extent, Ms. Hanson, have exhibited behavior over the last few month that have resulted in everyone in the CCHC, except for one individual, refusing to work with them, and this week the questions that were finally being asked were, “WTF? Who are these people, and are they Pharma sent to be a bother to us?” Enter Ginger Taylor to find out WTF.

Before launching into this, I want to be clear that I HAVE ONLY LOOKED INTO THESE TWO WOMEN, AND WHAT I AM REPORTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE OTHER ADMINS ON THE GROUP OR ANY OF THE GROUP MEMBERS. They may be saints straight from heaven for all I know.  I have not talked to them in person, but online chats with them give me the impression that they are sincere and may not even know about all the problems.

The concerns included the reports that:

- No one could be found that had actually met either of them in person.
- They had never attended hearings or any events.
- These two women may be one person, after one was contacting people from her own fb account but giving people the other's name in chats.
- They were asking for 50k in funding that was going directly to Kristin Hundley personally from a go fund me page with out anyone confirming who she was or having a way to confirm how the money would actually be spent. (They are not a non-profit or a PAC or any legal entity, there is no way to track funding, no one had met them or knew their addresses, there were not receipts offered to the group, all things that make Kristin's fund raising suspect.)
- That Kristin was trying to turn this into a full time paid position for herself riding off the reputation of the orgs in the CCHC.
- They were collecting personal information from people (full name, city, county, number of children in school, etc) through an online survey with out the community knowing where that information would go or would be used. Note there is no claim that the personal information will be kept private and not shared outside of OKOC.
- They were head hunting from other groups trying to take regional leaders from existing groups for their own efforts.
- They were making demands of long time activists with standing when, they had no track record and no one could confirm who they were in the real world. Their only standing was that they had a fb group of 6,000+ people.
- They had put up a web site that does not list their names, any officers of the group, any address, any legal filing/standing/affiliation, not even a phone number.  The site has no identifying information on it.  [Update: someone called to tell me that there is a phone number on the moble version of the site, but not on the web version of the site.]
- They are using pictures of the CA rally that they did not help organize, finance or attend to promote their group with out the permission of the photographers or the organizers of the rally.
- They were just very difficult people to work with and a good deal of time and energy was being spent trying to manage their personalities and the conflicts that they were stirring up rather than fighting Pan.
- They may be opposition plants here to divert money, time, resources, people, etc away from the efforts.

Usually these kinds of concerns work themselves out after a few months when people's work stands or falls on its own, but the CA fight is too important to be that indulgent here as we need every minute and every dollar to be used effectively. Since this came up on Tuesday, the day before the Ed. Committee hearings, ain't nobody got time for dat. As it is still not over... still no time for dat.

So I put out the word that there may be a problem with these women, and started asking lots of people if they knew these women offline, and found that, in fact, no one had ever laid eyes on either one of them. I was given a phone number for Kristin and called her to figure out what was going on, and ended up having two phone calls with both of them on the line for more than an hour. A fourth party also was on the line for most of the conversation.

I can report that these are two women, both in California, whose identities I have been able to confirm independently. Elizabeth does have a financial conflict of interest, as her husband works for a biotech company, but she reported it to me the first time I asked them to disclose any potential conflicts of interest. I WAS QUITE CONVINCED BY OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY EARNESTLY CARE ABOUT, AND ARE WORKING TOWARD, VACCINE CHOICE RIGHTS AND ARE NOT TROLLS OR SHILLS OR SPIES.


My experience with them over the last two days in trying to give them a chance to be vetted so that they might back earn some of the trust and benefit of the doubt that they were initially given, was that they are very difficult, entitled women who do not have the requisite maturity for leadership in our community.

Their response toward me was a pretty rude, “Who are you?” Despite the fact that they were actually sharing stories I had written and Health Choice's video content. I initially tried with some subtly to let them know that I am someone who has been around for a while, that many people trust and and that I sometimes look into problems in the community to make sure that people in leadership are safe people, and if I find they arn't, I let people know so they can make informed choices on who to be involved with. They didn't really seem to hear me. After a few times of having to explain who I was, they again asked something to the effect of, “how do we even know.... “ and I actually had to flat out say to them, in a quite annoyed tone, “I am powerful in this community. If I report on you, people will believe what I say.” No one who has earned any standing in any community should have to actually say those words out loud to someone else who wants to be in leadership in that community. It felt absolutely gross to say. It was one step away from, “Do you know who I am?!” Ugh...

I sent them my bio, the book, the debate and a few of my other bona fides, but they didn't respond to them.

Long story short, I asked for their home addresses (and gave them mine and promised that their information would stay private) so that I could verify who they were. They refused. I asked them for receipts of the money they had spent, or the names of individuals I could contact that they had contracted with that could confirm that they were being paid to work on the issue (or even whose expenses were being paid). They refused. I asked them to simply email me so I could have their email addresses to do a search on them. They said they would email me. That was two days ago and no emails. I sent them several fb messages to tell them unless they gave me something to independently verify their identities/view their online presence/know that they are not pocketing the $1,600 that they have raised out of the $50,000 they have asked for, I would be writing publicly about their lack of transparency and the unanswered questions and concerns about them. Their response was that they were contacting their lawyers.

This is what their gofund me page reports that the money is for:

These costs include:
- lobbyists/political strategists’ fees
- legal fees
- website hosting, domain hosting, and web creation fees
- PO box and phone number fees
- stock photo licensing fees
- photocopying/binding fees
- bookkeeping/accounting fees
- video/photo editing fees

It is reasonable for a group member to ask for verification that the money is being used thusly. They refused to offer any verification that it is or will be used thusly.

This is how the conversation ended:
  • Ginger Taylor

    I see that you have been reading my messaes and have stopped responding. And I have not yet heard from Kristin on anything since our phone call last night. So this is the note I put out this morning privately to the individuals who have been asking me about you. If you decide to change your course and give me some infomation so that I can verify you are earnest players and not taking advantage of the situation to raise money for yourselves, please let me know.

    "So just a heads up. I have been trying to follow up with the information on these women since I talked to them last night, and this crap just keeps getting weirder and more strange. People sending me screen caps of odd conversations, Elizabeth posing as Kristin, very odd. And I although they said they would email me so I could at least confirm who they were, they haven't.

    Then when I found out that they were trying to raise 50k, with out even so much as an address for the group or for Kristin (who the money from the gofundme page is going straight to) I asked them for some sort of recipets or references from someone that they had contracted with to do work on the hearings, and they won't send me any information They also refused to give me their addresses, even though I gave them mine and assured them that their info would be kept private.

    Group leadership is responsible to the group to account for finances raised by the group, and they are denying any information on the money quesions from a group member.

    So I am going to give them until the end of the day to do something that can be independently verified and then if they don't, put out a public statement recommending that people be cautious with these two and only give donations to verified groups like the CCA or CCHC.

    I don't think they are pharma trolls or spies, but perhaps opportunists and at the very least they lack the minimum maturity required for a leadership role in our community. My experience with them is that they come accross as very entitled and demanding, and don't seem to think that they are accountable for their actions, even to their own group members."
  • Kristen Hundley
    Kristen Hundley

    We are consulting with our legal team on how to proceed in communication with you. We will contact you at the appropriate time.
  • Ginger Taylor
    Ginger Taylor

    Ok. Will be publishing tomorrow, so let me know any information you want me to have before then.
  • Kristen Hundley
    Kristen Hundley

    What exactly will you be publishing? I just want to be clear. It sounds like what you are saying is that of we do not comply with your demands, you will publish derogatory and incriminating information about us as individuals and our group as a whole. Do I have that correct?
  • Ginger Taylor
    Ginger Taylor

    I have just given you a run down of where I am on you right now. It will be something to that effect. You are free to keep private what ever information you want. And I am free to investigate you and to warn the community if I think that you are not on the up and up. I am an investgative writer. That is what I do.
  • Kristen Hundley
    Kristen Hundley

    I see. Thank you.
  • Today
  • Ginger Taylor
    Ginger Taylor

    I will be publishing in the next hourish, so please let me know now if you plan on sending any infromation to me that I can use to vet you guys or your claims.
  • Kristen Hundley
    Kristen Hundley

    Hi Ginger...I am still confused about what you are publishing. You can easily google us to find out who we are. Have you done any investigation that would lead you to believe that we are *not* as you say "on the up and up". You are demanding that we give you our personal information and stating that if we don't you will publish incriminating things about us. Please clarify if that is your position.
  • Ginger Taylor
    Ginger Taylor

    This is what I am publishing. Going up in about five minutes. I will send you the link once it is up:

And then I sent them the draft this article.

To sum up my read on them:
- Care very much about vaccine choice
- Not pharma plants
- Not mature people
- Not qualified for leadership
- At best they may be niave on this work and on how to treat fellow activists, but I will go so far as to say that my experience of these women are that they are entitled brats who don't seem to think that they are accountable for their actions, not even to members of their own organization.

I strongly encourage them to re-evalute their approach to advocacy and how they treat fellow advocates, and wish them the best of luck in their future endeavors.

So, my recommendations to you the California Pan Fighting Facebooker:

- If you have donated to their go fund me page, you may want to consider either ask them for some verifiable information on who they are and what the money is being used for, or get your money back.
- If you want to donate to the California efforts, the two reputable groups that I know of to do that through are the CCA (https://www.calchiro.org/) or The Canary Party (http://canaryparty.org/index.php/donate - 100% of all donations tagged “California” go straight to the CCHC efforts.)
- Members of the OKOC page may want to do their own vetting on the leadership of that group to see if they can get more information than I was able to before giving them your trust.
- If you have taken their online survey you may want to ask what that information will be used for and if it will remain private.
- Follow the recommendations of the CCHC if you are in the California fight.
- If you consider me a trusted source, don't automatically assume that any group I am in is one I actually have vetted and support, or that anyone on my friend's list is a safe person. I have nearly 4,500 fb friends and am in hundreds of group (because people can add me to whatever).  I am sure that there are tolls both among my fb followers or in those groups.

If anyone has more information on who they are, and whether or not you have a trusted relationship with them, please post below.  I could not find anyone who did, but I only had two days to look.

As always, as this fight for vaccine choice rights becomes more and more intense, it is wise for us to pay attention to who is in leadership.  Different groups take different approaches, and I actually think that is great.  We all need to find a group that we can trust and who shares our goals and values.

If OKOC is your group of choice, then great.  I earnestly wish you all the success in the world.  Just want to encourage you to pay closer attention to your leadership in this very, very important battle to make sure that little red flags and problems don't become huge problems that hamstring the actual work.

I let them know I would post any statement that they sent me on this matter.

Correction:  They actually have two FB groups and I had confused one for the other.  They are now both listed and links are correct.

Update:  Kristen and Elizabth have cirulated a video via drop box.

Update: 4/17 Kristen posts to the OKOC group:

Kristen Hundley

Hi folks. I'm writing to clear up some questions an rumors. I'm sorry my response took so long. I'm a human after all and I have been hurt by all the accusations just like I'm sure anyone of you would be if you were attacked. I realize unfortunately this is part of the political game. To clear things up I want you to know that I'm hiring an accountant to manage the go fund me account. It's currently sitting in escrow. This was always the plan. I realize now it was a mistake to not address that immediately. If you go to the go fund me page now you will see that how the funds will be spent is clearly outlined. I will also be adding my bio to the website as the founder of the group. I hope all of you will see my full transparency. I'm a single mom doing the best I can and have devoted all my free time to OKOC and our cause. I am at work today as I'm sure many of you are but I just wanted to quickly address your concerns and let you know that I'm listening. I'd appreciate in return that you understand that with a full time job I'm doing all of this completely in my spare time and am handling them as quickly as possible. Thank you all for your continued efforts and commitment. I will continue to do everything I can to help us defeat this bill.

Update 4/17 I have had a few more specific requests on where to go for information on the California efforts for those looking for daily updates and directions.  I recommend the California Coalition for Vaccine Choice. https://www.facebook.com/groups/393039350720224/


Statement by the California Coalition for Health Choice:

"CCHC Continues To Grow & Show Strength

The California Coalition for Health Choice (CCHC) is a grassroots umbrella organization that advocates for the preservation of parental rights regarding medical decisions for their children.  CCHC represents thousands of parents, healthcare professionals and concerned citizens who oppose SB277.

The CCHC-YFYC has been the leader in setting direction for legislative advocacy and media strategy.  CCHC was responsible for recruiting Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Eric Gladen, Dr. Bob Sears and others for our Sacramento and San Diego Rallies.  These rallies were broadcast statewide.  CCHC was also responsible for orchestrating testimony, and mobilizing the thousands of people who attended the Senate Health & Education Committee hearings. CCHC is responsible for the largest victory to date, which is to delay a vote in Senate Education Committee.  This clearly demonstrates that we are being heard.

CCHC consists of many advocacy and grassroots organizations, including: Californians for Health Choice; Your Family, Your Choice - People for Informed Consent; the Canary Party; California Coalition for Vaccine Choice; People Against Mandatory Vaccines, Weston Price Foundation and many others.  CCHC also seeks counsel, support and resources from other organizations, including the California Chiropractic Association.

CCHC is in no way affiliated with a group called Our Kids, Our Choice. There has been confusion as this group has posted pictures of the events, and presented themselves as involved in our Coalition.   CCHC has made several attempts to work with OKOC leadership, and these attempts have failed.  OKOC has no interest in working with CCHC. While this is unfortunate, we do welcome members of OKOC who share in our mission to join our cause.

For questions or to officially become part of CCHC, please contact us at cchcyfyc@gmail.com.

Please refer all media inquiries to Jean Munoz Keese via private message, and/or email CCHCMedia@yahoo.com."

Update Jan 2016:

Some have asked how this played out.  I encouraged Kristin to speak with someone who had a good understanding of financing laws and accountability for such donations.  She determined that it was not wise to be collecting funds the way she had been doing, and donated the money to the California Chiropractic Association.

OKOC has since become a 501c4 corporation, so their financial accountability is no longer in question, and everyone seems back on the path to doing the work that so badly needs to be done.

No pharma shills, legitimacy of those involved has been esstablished, and its all good.

April 14, 2015

Paul Offit Pulls Out of a Debate with Toni Bark

Paul Offit and Toni Bark were set to appear today on the Mike Gallagher radio show to discuss vaccines.

Offit canceled.

Interesting follow up to the refusal to appear on Democracy Now at the same time as Mary Holland.  The hosts called him out for it on the air and Offit melted down.

Paul Offit is a liar and a coward.

I long for the day he is placed under oath, is made to testify and is cross examined.


Debating vaccine safety is beneath Paul Offit:

April 11, 2015

Extended, Fair, Balanced, Live, Unedited, Mainstream Media Vaccine Debate Happens. (I can't believe I just wrote that sentence)

This week I did a thing.  Below is the article I wrote about the thing for the web site of the Maine Coalition for Vaccine Choice.  

Maine vaccine interests are not super happy that the thing happened.  Cassandra Grantham of Vax Maine Kids thinks that the thing is super wrong.  From their FB page on the debate:

Really, Cassandra?
"This anonymous blogger believes that the panel debating vaccines being hosted by WGME CBS 13 News, Portland tonight may in fact be more about ratings than ethics. Is this sensational journalism? Is there sometimes when there is no other side and entertaining anything else is irresponsible?"

Gosh... if an anonblog says it is an ethics problem then let's shut that mother down!  Parents and docs that don't tow the line should not be allowed to speak in public!


"We can tell you that there were many pediatricians that were asked to participate tonight on this show that refused in silent protest of the fact that the issue is being presented as having two sides...that says a lot to us."

Rumors of anondocs protesting silently... always a strong arguement.  How is this woman still employed?  This is a giant health corporation and their spokes person comes across as a college sophmore sorrority sister majoring in prissy passive agression.

And this little hilarious note: "What needs to be discussed is how best to work with families that have concerns and questions about vaccination and how to encourage parents that are solidly in favor of vaccines to speak out as often and frequently as parents who are skeptical."

Funny for two reasons, First, she has blocked me from commenting on their fb page, showing they have no interest in working with families that have questions and concerns about vaccination, and second, no one comments on their posts so they can't even get their followers to "speak out as often as parents who are skeptical."

Anyway... here is the story about the thing and the videos of how fat I am the vaccine debate.

By Ginger Taylor

This week in Maine an unprecedented event occurred. A mainstream media outlet hosted an extended, live debate on vaccines, invited a balanced panel and a balanced audience, let the audience questions drive the debate, and in no way biased or edited the final product.

This bold media outlet, CBS affiliate WGME in Portland, Maine, along with their media partner the Bangor Daily News, hosted this as a part of a national Town Hall event series. The panelists were former pediatrician and current Medical Director for MaineCare Kevin Flanigan, MD, MBA, former pediatrician and Vice President for Clinical Affairs for the University of New England Dora Anne Mills M.D., M.P.H., F.A.A.P., authority on the anthrax vaccine Meryl Nass, M.D., and myself, Ginger Taylor, MS, BA, AM (autism mom).

Turns out there is a good reason that public health officials and vaccine program defenders don't participate in fair, open, unedited, extended debates with critics of the vaccine program... they have dramatically different outcomes than the biased, prepackaged media pieces we are used to seeing. Public health loses control of the narrative quickly.

WGME has placed the entire debate on their web site and on YouTube. We at the Maine Coalition for Vaccine Choice encourage you to take an evening to watch this unique debate, and to share it widely with those who are interested in more in depth discussions on vaccine matters.

In preparation for this article, I contacted my fellow panelists to tell them that we would be writing a follow up to the event and asked them to send any citations that might apply to the topics that they discussed so that those interested could continue to research the material. Below the videos you will find each of their notes.

Currently there are five vaccine bills in the Maine Legislature. Two that restrict and remove vaccine exemption rights, one that adds more vaccines to the list of those mandated for school entry, one that prevents discrimination against those who are unvaccinated, and another, written by me, to create a vaccine safety office at the Maine CDC to prevent vaccine injury, and to get vaccine injuries properly assessed, diagnosed, treated and compensated via the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.

These bills will be heard in the Joint Committee on Health and Human Services on May 11
th. We will be holding an all day advocacy push that day which includes a scheduled visit from Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. who will be educating legislators on what he has learned about vaccine safety after investigating parental vaccine injury claims.

We encourage Mainers who want to retain their right to vaccinate as they choose, and who want to work to prevent vaccine injury, to join our mailing list on
http://mainevaxchoice.org/, join our group on facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/MaineCoalitionforVaccineChoice/, and to join us in Augusta on May 11th as we educate the legislators on what is really going on in the vaccine program and why parental rights must be respected. https://www.facebook.com/events/1593889950828752/
On behalf of myself, The Maine Coalition for Vaccine Choice, The Canary Party, HealthChoice.org, and the thousands of families we represent, we thank CBS 13/WGME and the Bangor Daily News for holding such an unbiased and in depth town hall discussion on vaccines. We hope that this will be a shining example of how mainstream media can restore their reputation with the public on this topic, and that it will be the first of many such events in the US.

Notes by Dr. Meryl Nass:

The Pertussis Discussion

Pertussis vaccine may not protect, and may enhance spread of pertussis if exposed after vaccination: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3896208/
This was written up in Science, Scientific American, NY Times, yet ignored and disputed during our debate:

Science has a better article than Scientific American on the FDA findings on pertussis vaccine:
Here the FDA responds to those who dispute the validity of the baboon model:

The Swine Flu/GBS Discussion

The former head of CDC who led the 1976 swine flu vaccine program admits there was Guillain Barre Syndrome as a result: http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/52/suppl_1/S4.long

A review this month acknowledges GBS due to the 1976 program: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25850385

NYT: Fear of a Swine Flu Epidemic in 1976 Offers Some Lessons, and Concerns, Today:
Book by National Academy of Sciences' Institute of Medicine about the program:
The Swine Flu Affair: Decision-Making on a Slippery Disease
Richard E. Neustadt, Professor of Government, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
Harvey V. Fineberg, M.D., Assistant Professor of Health Services, School of Public Health, Harvard University
With an introduction by Joseph A. Califano, Jr., Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare
Published by the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare

World Health Organization/CDC slide show that says the relative risk was 7.6 based on 8 studies, and "several reanalyses with same conclusions" (slide 4):

A 2012 paper that notes the risk of GBS increased more than 6 times in vaccinees:

The CDC's admission on the matter:

J Infect Dis. 2008 Jul 15;198(2):226-33. doi: 10.1086/589624.
Anti-ganglioside antibody induction by swine (A/NJ/1976/H1N1) and other influenza vaccines: insights into vaccine-associated Guillain-Barré syndrome.

Receipt of an A/NJ/1976/H1N1 "swine flu" vaccine in 1976, unlike receipt of influenza vaccines used in subsequent years, was strongly associated with the development of the neurologic disorder Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS). Anti-ganglioside antibodies (e.g., anti-GM(1)) are associated with the development of GBS, and we hypothesized that the swine flu vaccine contained contaminating moieties (such as Campylobacter jejuni antigens that mimic human gangliosides or other vaccine components) that elicited an anti-GM(1) antibody response in susceptible recipients.

Surviving samples of monovalent and bivalent 1976 vaccine, comprising those from 3 manufacturers and 11 lot numbers, along with several contemporary vaccines were tested for hemagglutinin (HA) activity, the presence of Campylobacter DNA, and the ability to induce anti-Campylobacter and anti-GM(1) antibodies after inoculation into C3H/HeN mice.

We found that, although C. jejuni was not detected in 1976 swine flu vaccines, these vaccines induced anti-GM(1) antibodies in mice, as did vaccines from 1991-1992 and 2004-2005. Preliminary studies suggest that the influenza HA induces anti-GM(1) antibodies.

Influenza vaccines contain structures that can induce anti-GM(1) antibodies after inoculation into mice. Further research intoinfluenza vaccine components that elicit anti-ganglioside responses and the role played by these antibodies (if any) in vaccine-associated GBS is warranted.

A sample of six vaccine and injectable medication disasters in the US during the past 60 years
All have been due to failures of testing or failures in manufacturing processes.
Meryl Nass, M.D. March 21, 2015

1. 1955: (Improperly inactivated) live polio vaccine caused polio in thousands of children

Cutter (now part of Bayer) incident 1955–This early US Salk polio vaccine contained live polio virus, which had not been inactivated in the factory. It caused 40,000 polio cases in the US due to inadequate inactivation of live virus. Cutter was the major company involved, but other companies also had problems with viral inactivation. The NIH director and others lost their jobs in the aftermath, since Bernice Eddy, an NIH scientist, had earlier found the vaccines paralyzed monkeys, but her findings were suppressed in the rush to vaccinate.

2. 1950s-1960s: SV-40 (Simian Virus 40, a cancer-causing virus) contaminated polio vaccines given to tens of millions of Americans.

SV-40 causes cancer in animals and has been found in human cancers, though its relationship to human cancers remains uncertain, as the research has been contradictory.

3. 1970s-1985: Factor 8 Concentrate. a pooled blood product used to prevent bleeding in hemophiliacs, was contaminated with HIV and Hepatitis C, but continued to be sold worldwide, even after manufacturers became aware of the contamination.

Its manufacturers knew it was contaminated with HIV (and Hepatitis C), which spread through the injectable blood products used by hemophiliacs. About 8,000 US hemophiliacs at the time developed HIV infections this way, and an estimated 150,000 developed Hepatitis C, which frequently results in chronic liver disease, cirrhosis or death. The practice of distributing contaminated blood was widespread internationally, with many companies involved, and continued even after the problem was identified. It led to suits against pharmaceutical companies in a number of countries. It led to thousands of deaths. Doctors went to jail.

Cutter/ Bayer knowingly sold HIV-contaminated products in the US and overseas, seemingly having learned nothing from its polio-contaminated vaccine disaster 25 years earlier.

4. 1976-1977: Swine flu vaccine given to 45 million Americans for a non-existent disease, causing hundreds of cases of paralysis

A new flu virus was discovered in a soldier who died at Fort Dix, NJ. Concern that the virus might cause a 1918-like influenza pandemic led to a huge federal program to develop a vaccine and vaccinate every American against the virus. But the epidemic never occurred. And the affected soldier, despite having an acute infection, had undertaken a forced march, and then died. No one knew if the flu had killed him. The vaccine manufacturers, meanwhile, were given a waiver of liability.

After 45 million inoculations of the newly developed vaccine, about 400 people developed paralysis from the vaccine (Guillain Barre syndrome, at a rate 6-8 times expected during the six weeks post-inoculation) and about 30 died. The program was then ended. The Secretary of HEW, Joseph Califano, asked that a thorough investigation be done of the science, the policy and the processes involved. The result is a bird’s eye view of how personal and political agendas came together to supercede considerations of the public health:

http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=394635 (unfortunately now behind a paywall)

5. 1999: Rhesus rotavirus vaccine (Rotashield) caused intestinal tract damage.

This oral vaccine was designed to prevent a usually mild form of gastroenteritis that kills (via dehydration) an estimated 30 US babies per year. However, it caused 22 times the expected number of cases of intussusception of the bowel, and many affected babies required surgery to repair “telescoping” of the guy. Several died. Four months after being licensed, the vaccine was taken off the market.

6. 2009-10 Pandemrix swine flu vaccine, used in Europe, caused about 900 cases of narcolepsy.

Children aged 5-19 were about 15 times more likely to develop narcolepsy if they received the Pandemrix brand of swine flu vaccine in Europe. Other age groups were also at an increased risk or narcolepsy due to the vaccine, but to a lesser degree. Narcolepsy is caused by autoimmune destruction of cells in the locus ceruleus of the brain. It is a newly recognized vaccine adverse reaction. The narcolepsy cases were quite severe and generally associated with cataplexy.

The adverse effect profile of drugs and vaccines is generally not well known until millions of people have received the drug or vaccine. This occurred in each of the cases above.

New federal legislation, removing manufacturer liability for (even unlicensed) products developed for emergencies, increases the speed at which these products are manufactured and tested, increasing their potential risk. citizehttp://www.fda.gov/RegulatoryInformation/Guidances/ucm125127.htm#categories

For these reasons, citizens deserve to retain the right to choose for themselves and their children whether or not to receive medical products and procedures.

State Legislators Organization (NCSL) Targets Vaccine Exemptions and Supports Meningitis Vaccines

How might state legislators be influenced/manipulated by pharmaceutical companies to remove vaccine exemptions and mandate more vaccines? Through their non-partisan national organization, which appears to provide “value-free” information on many subjects of interest to legislators.

The NCSL (national conference of state legislatures) sponsor list includes many Pharma companies

This organization (NCSL) appears to target vaccine exemptions at this site

This organization highlighted vaccinations in the February issue of their magazine
For example:

“Between 2009 and 2012, lawmakers in 18 states introduced 36 bills involving vaccine exemptions, 31 of which would have made opting out of shots easier. None of the 31 passed, largely because of strong evidence that withholding vaccinations leads to outbreaks of measles, whooping cough and other diseases. States with easier exemption policies were “associated with a 90 percent higher incidence of whooping cough in 2011,” according to a 2013 Institute of Medicine report.

(This does not make sense, since the main driver in whooping cough epidemics is the waning of vaccine immunity, not lack of vaccinations—Nass)

Children who are vaccinated against preventable diseases such as influenza and whooping cough also have fewer doctors’ visits, hospitalizations and premature deaths, say the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

California, Vermont and Washington now require parents who want exemptions to get a doctor’s signature. In Oregon, parents must get a doctor’s signature or watch a video about the risks and benefits of vaccines. In Colorado, where whooping cough cases have topped a 60-year high, lawmakers passed HB 1288 in 2013 requiring schools to collect and make publicly available information about their vaccination and exemption rates.”

With a date of 1/12/2015, this organization has a page titled “Immunizations Policy Issues Overview”

This organization has especially highlighted meningitis vaccine legislation
and HPV vaccine
legislation, even though neither vaccine is associated with herd immunity; your child will not “catch” either of these infections through casual contact with other children.

Notes by Ginger Taylor:

214 Research papers supporting the vaccine/autism link: https://howdovaccinescauseautism.org/

CDC recommended childhood vaccine schedule from 1973 to 1988 as compared to the current schedule following the liability protection put in place in 1986:
The CDC adult vaccine schedule:

HHS has become a vaccine patent holder while approving, regulating and recommending vaccines, and while and adjudicating vaccine injuries, without disclosing its serious conflicts of interests to consumers.

The current Congressional investigation into the #CDCwhistleblower scandal, triggered when senior CDC vaccine scientist William Thompson admitted publicly that he and his research team had actively hidden vaccine autism links from the public.

The DOJindictment of CDC vaccine safety researcher PoulThorsen on 21 counts of fraud and money laundering for embezzling more than a million dollars from CDC and his university, whose research CDC is still using to support vaccine safety claims.

The US Government Accounting Office, AssociatedPress/NYT and
AmericanUniversity/George Washington School of Law investigations into the failures of the VICP to properly compensate families of vaccine victims.

NYT/Pace University Environmental Law Review research showing that, although the federal government will not officially establish the vaccine/autism link, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has been quietly paying autism cases since 1991.

Full information on the proposed Maine Vaccine Consumer Protection Act.

Our opposition to the bills in Maine proposed to restrict and remove vaccine choice rights.

Johns Hopkins database of vaccine package inserts: http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

Vaccine Injury Compensation Table:

All research into vaccine uptake shows that it is the mostly highly educated parents who are the ones choosing to opt out of vaccination.

Notes by Kevin Flanigan:

Dr. Flanigan wrote very gracious notes to both myself and Dr. Nass about our participation in the debate. He thanked us for the offer to add notes, but shared that the state of Maine believes that the debate as aired speaks for itself.

Notes by Dora Anne Mills:

As of this publishing Dr. Mills has not responded to our offer to include her notes. We will amend should she forward any comments to us.