September 19, 2007

Jenny McCarthy on Oprah: Vaccine Injury Finally

(Update 2009 - This has become a very popular blog post, especially for those who are looking for information on just what Jenny McCarthy is talking about when she writes about vaccine injury and autism treatment. Much disinformation is out there on what she is 'preaching'.

No she is not advocating the abandonment of vaccination, but a reexamination and easing off of the overly aggressive/untested CDC vaccine schedule, and stricter safety standards of individual vaccines. Currently the vaccine schedule has more than tripled since I was a child, as it has gone from 10 vaccines to 66 vaccines, and 36 alone in the first 18 months of life. There is no safety testing of the vaccine schedule as a whole, and public health agencies have refused to do any, despite parent protests. Safety standards are very poor and Pharma is asking for even regulatory standards to even be lowered for them.]

She is also advocating medical treatment for children with autism. No these are not HER treatments, they are emerging treatments that began to be put into use at least 15 years ago, and now are in use by most parents of young children with autism. (She is just the most well known and vociferous advocate of these medical interventions) For example, CDC now recommends that children with autism be screened for gastrointestinal damage. Treating this damage often improves the cognition and functioning of people with autism.

In short, in case after case that is properly medically investigated, doctors are finding that children with the behavioral diagnosis of "autism" have neuro immune disease. These kids have an autoimmune disorder in which the immune system has attacked the central nervous system. Onset is often directly following vaccination (or other environmental insults), and we know that vaccination causes autoimmune disorders (check the VCIP "vaccine encepalopathy" and individual vaccine package inserts for details). At issue is whether many cases of "autism" are in fact neuroimmune disease in a genetically vulnerable subset of the population, triggered by an over reaction of the immune system to the ingredients in the vaccine.

The testing that would prove or disprove this theory have never been done.

Further, most of these children have serious GI damage that causes malabsorption of nutrients, resulting in further damage to the brain and related systems.

Jenny McCarthy's book about autism treatment is a collaboration between Jenny, and a very well respected physician in the autism community, Dr. Jerry Kartzinel. "Healing and Preventing Autism: A Complete Guide" is a book in which Dr. Kartzinel discusses the treatments and McCarthy discusses her experience of the treatments.

For more information on environmental causation and treatments feel free to explore this site or contact me personally. My son has been on said treatments for five years and has responded very well.

Recommended posts for you to visit:

  • Maine CDC Autism Conference - GI dysfunction in autism, Environmental causation in autism, Vaccine causation in autism.
  • Julie Gerberding Tells CNN that Vaccines Trigger Autism
  • An article on just how bad the research is that CDC uses to exonerate vaccines in autism causation.
  • Jenny's book with Dr. Kartzinel on autism treatment was directed at parents, but this could be considered the companion piece for physicians on the state of research into the treatments that are successful in recovering children from autism: Changing the Course of Autism. If you are serious about finding out why Jenny's message has resonated with so many parents, but don't think that she is a credible source of medical information, please read Dr. Jepson's book. This is the book that Martha Herbert of Harvard mentions in her speech at the Maine CDC autism conference.
  • The head of the AAP's very easily disprovable lie that vaccines do not cause long term damage.
  • Contradictory rulings in the Vaccine Court that vaccines cannot cause autism, but the MMR absolutely did cause Baily Bank's autism. The media did not pick up the Banks ruling.
  • A partial list of research for those who have come here under the assumption that the only evidence of the link between vaccines and autism is temporal correlation and who are tempted to comment and make the "correlation does not prove causation" arguement.


Thank you for visiting and enjoy the site.)

Jenny McCarthy on Oprah
Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:

When she was not yet a superstar or even broadcasting nationally, in early 1985 a friend gave Oprah a copy of "DPT: A Shot in the Dark," which was the first report of an association between autism and vaccination. "We're waiting until it comes out in paperback," a producer told her friend. The paperback version was published in 1986 but, by then, Oprah had starred in "The Color Purple," her show had been nationally syndicated and the vaccine safety debate had become a heated controversy. Over the last two decades, many parents of vaccine injured children have written letters to Oprah in hopes that she would do a show about vaccine risks.

Yesterday, after 22 years, Oprah finally talked about vaccine injured children when she interviewed Hollywood Moms, Jenny McCarthy and Holly Peete. Jenny has written a book on her experience of watching her two and a half year old son regress into autism after an MMR shot.

On the show, Jenny talked about the increases in autism among children and asked what parents of vaccine injured children have been asking for a quarter century: "What number will it take for people just to start listening to what the mothers of children who have seen autism have been saying for years, which is, 'We vaccinated our baby and something happened."

Jenny says even before Evan received his vaccines, she tried to talk to her pediatrician about it. "Right before his MMR shot, I said to the doctor, "I have a very bad feeling about this shot. This is the autism shot, isn't it?' And he said, 'No, that is ridiculous. It is a mother's desperate attempt to blame something,' and he swore at me, and then the nurse gave [Evan] the shot," she says. "And I remember going, 'Oh, God, I hope he's right.' And soon thereafter-boom-the soul's gone from his eyes."

The CDC's prepared response to a query from the Oprah Show staff about whether there is a link between autism and vaccines was "CDC places a high priority on vaccine safety and the integrity and credibility of its vaccine safety research. This commitment not only stems from our scientific and medical dedication, it is also personal-for most of us who work at CDC are also parents and grandparents. And as such, we too, have high levels of personal interest and concern in the health and safety of children, families and communities. We simply don't know what causes most cases of autism, but we're doing everything we can to find out. The vast majority of science to date does not support an association between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. But we are currently conducting additional studies to further determine what role, if any, thimerosal in vaccines may play in the development of autism. It is important to remember, vaccines protect and save lives. Vaccines protect infants, children and adults from the unnecessary harm and premature death caused by vaccine-preventable diseases."

It is curious that the CDC would confine its response regarding the autism-vaccine connection to thimerosal, when MMR vaccine has been strongly associated with regressive autism and live virus MMR vaccine never contained thimerosal. The National Vaccine Information Center, which has operated a Vaccine Reaction Registry since 1982, continues to receive reports from parents describing how their children regressed after receiving live virus or non- mercury containing vaccines, often after being given 8 to 12 vaccines on one day. The most heart-breaking stories are when children are vaccinated over and over again despite deteriorating health because their pediatricians are in denial about vaccine risks.

Jenny McCarthy gave a star turn on Oprah when she clearly, simply and passionately described what happened to her son after vaccination and how she was empowered by information she found on the internet to find ways to cure his vaccine-associated regressive autism. She listened to her mother's instinct and pursued a course of treatment that involved nutrition and other alternative therapies. It is a story of a mother's love and determination to heal her son after he was given the diagnosis of autism, a neuroimmune disorder that so many pediatricians are taught is untreatable.

In the early 1990's, a mother in California, Cindy Goldenberg, was the first Mom to cure her son of regressive autism by listening to her mother's instincts and doing her own research into vaccine-induced neuroimmune dysfunction. Her son experienced regressive autism after receiving MMR vaccine. Cindy sought out IVIG therapy as well as nutritional and probiotic therapies that she said "healed his gut." Her son was soon in a regular classroom and this year he graduated from high school.

As of last night, there were nearly 2,000 messages, primarily from Moms, for Jenny and Holly posted on Oprah's website at http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/1812

Bravo, Oprah. You allowed Jenny to tell it like it is. You have helped millions of Moms across America understand what happened to their children, who changed physically, mentally and emotionally after getting vaccinated, and now suffer with autism and other kinds of vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction such as learning disabilities, ADHD, seizure disorders, asthma, and diabetes.

If your child stopped speaking, wouldn't look you in the eye and completely ignored the world around them, what would you do? In her new book, Louder Than Words: A Mother's Journey in Healing Autism, actress Jenny McCarthy shares her emotional story of diagnosis, hope, faith and recovery-a journey many thousands of parents now face.


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54 comments:

nhokkanen said...

Now Dr. Phil needs to tell the CDC that "you can't change what you don't acknowledge." As long as that "disease control" agency continues to ignore parents' reports of their children's vaccine injury, nothing will be learned and the damage will continue needlessly.

Stephanie said...

I just found your blog through google. I have a 4 year old daughter with ASD. I never thought I would be saying this but: Jenny McCarthy is my role model. She was such an articulate spokesperson on Oprah, and her book is great too. I will buy anything she's selling, and will be first in line for the next Jim Carrey movie, no matter how much it may suck. I'm so glad that someone is out there saying what so many of know to be true.

jay said...

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Aloha from hawaii Joseph Dalrymple

jay said...

Aloha
have you heard of Waiora A chealating liquid
that removes heavy metals thru the urine gently
with no side effects I can remove mercury,
lead, arsenic etc with no noticeable feeling
when the lab tests come back from testing the
urine sample you can see the amount of poison
being removed from your body
talk to Dr Lyn Hanshew MD in WA state
Aloha from hawaii Joseph Dalrymple

Andrew Sheldon BIO said...

I was particularly pleased Jenny made the point that medicine for the human body is not 'one size fits all'. I think there is merit in this argument as far as diets are concerned as well. Unless researchers stop collectivising human experience through the misuse of statistics and start establishing causal linkages, then we are going to have these mishaps.

Stephen said...

Keith Smith is an herbalist in Escondido, Ca. with extensive knowledge about the vaccinations and how to treat and reverse the damage done from the vaccinations. Look up Keith Smith's Herb Shop to find on the web.

Peace
Steve Miholick
Yucaipa, Ca.

Jock Doubleday said...

I call the CDC the "Creative Disease Corporation."

The astonishing truth about vaccines is:

1) vaccines have never been shown by science to prevent any disease;

2) vaccines HAVE been shown by science to be the most dangerous of all medical interventions; and

3) the two-century-long coverup of vaccine dangers is the most documented coverup in the history of medicine.

Check out my own journey into the labyrinth of information and disinformation about vaccines: "Into the Labyrinth: Discovering the Truth about Vaccination" at:

http://spontaneouscreation.org/SC/IntotheLabyrinth.htm

And see my $120,000 offer to the first M.D. to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients (still no takers after 7 years):

http://spontaneouscreation.org/SC/$75,000VaccineOffer.htm

Sincerely,

Jock Doubleday
Director
Natural Woman, Natural Man, Inc.
A California 501(c)3 Nonprofit Organization
http://www.SpontaneousCreation.org
director@spontaneouscreation.org

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Kalai said...

My little Isabella is 10 weeks old and the pediatricians encourage (or force) mothers to give their babies shots (vaccinations) from birth to the 2 week check-up, to the 6-8 week check-up, to the 4 month check-up. I listened to my mom and the little birdy in my ear was saying to wait...to not let them vaccinate my perfectly HEALTHY little baby.

So...I didn't! I told her Dr that I've READ and heard many horror stories about vaccinations being linked with Autism and/or other mental problems.

Austim rates from:

(1949-1969) of less than 1 in 10,000

In 1997, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 1 of every 500 children is autistic (20 per 10,000)

THIS is the SHOCKER!

Ten years later, in February 2007, the CDC released the results of its new analysis confirming that autism is more prevalent than ever before estimated, affecting about 1 of every 150 American children (67 per 10,000)

In some states the figures are even worse.: New Jersey - 1 in 60 boys are diagnosed with autism

We have an epidemic on our hands," exclaimed Congressional representative Christopher Smith. Congressman Chip Pickering described the epidemic in more sobering terms: "More children will be diagnosed with autism this year than AIDS, diabetes and cancer combined."

At this rate, in 5-10 years EVERY baby will have Autism. And they've proven that perfectly healthy babies develope it AFTER getting vaccines!

I am SO glad I listened to my gut and said, "Well, I can't undo it IF it IS true.....and I'd rather be safe than sorry.."

Please have a little bit of doubt when it comes to giving your child something that HAS caused other children to become Autistic! We want to trust our Drs, but what if they're just doing what they're told to do?

Patrick said...

Hi
I know this is most likely an unpopular sentiment for this forum, but as a medical researcher I have to disagree with a few of the statements posted here. First, about the increasing incidence of autism. Several studies have shown that the increasing number of children diagnosed with autism is not a reflection in an actual increase in incidence of the disease but rather an increase in the diagnosis of it. Throughout medicine there are many diseases that have no physical (laboratory or pathologic) evidence to prove its existence but is instead based upon the clinical reasoning of the physicians. These diseases naturally increase in incidence as 1) healthcare improves with more people seeing the doctor regularly and 2) the awareness of the problem increases ( which is self propagating in this case). Additionally, the diagnosis of autism is usually made between 1 and 3 years of age the same time the vaccine is being administered thus attributing to the illusion of causality. Secondly, the larger issue to myself is the cost/benefit. I see that raising a child with autism is of profound difficulty and I cannot fathom what it takes of parents, but considering that the correlation is not proven that vaccines cause autism, the benefit must be considered. If you have the opportunity you should investigate the effects of rubella in an infant of an infected mother. The effects are devastating to nearly all aspects of the infants health. The vaccination movement has all but eradicated the incidence of this and that does not even consider the effects of measles and mumps. I realize again this sentiment may be unpopular but I want everyone to be well informed (sorry for such long entry). And I am not a vaccine researcher if people think I have invested interest or anything. I am university researcher in biomedical implants.

Ginger Taylor, M.S. said...

Patrick,

”I know this is most likely an unpopular sentiment for this forum, but as a medical researcher I have to disagree with a few of the statements posted here.”

Here at AIA we are not concerned with what is popular but what is true. Dissent is welcome, but you have to back up what you say.

“First, about the increasing incidence of autism. Several studies have shown that the increasing number of children diagnosed with autism is not a reflection in an actual increase in incidence of the disease but rather an increase in the diagnosis of it.”

Please cite those studies.

“Throughout medicine there are many diseases that have no physical (laboratory or pathologic) evidence to prove its existence but is instead based upon the clinical reasoning of the physicians. These diseases naturally increase in incidence as 1) healthcare improves with more people seeing the doctor regularly and 2) the awareness of the problem increases ( which is self propagating in this case). Additionally, the diagnosis of autism is usually made between 1 and 3 years of age the same time the vaccine is being administered thus attributing to the illusion of causality.”

All this may be true and yet it does not disprove an association between vaccines and autism or mean that the temporal connection between administration of vaccines and autism is due to causality or coincidence. People develop lung cancer in a timing that relative to smoking, and it turns out that it is because causality is in play!

Correlation does not prove causality, but to anyone with true scientific curiosity in the question, it is something that is a pretty big deal.

Honestly, I think that this is just wishful thinking on the part of the medical community who does not want vaccines to be the cause. The development of autism so close to vaccination does not prove causality, but it is a HUGE clue. Just dismissing it as coincidence because we want it to be a coincidence with out a very thorough examination and proof that it is only a coincidence is unethical and horribly destructive.

There are some theories that are so important that we can’t just ‘think’ that are false, we need to know for a fact that they are false before we dismiss them. The vaccine/autism theory is just such a theory.

Because if we are wrong... and we just decided to brush it off as artifact, than we condemn entire international generations to a life long iatrogenic neurological impairment that never had to be if we were doing our jobs and actually applying true scientific standards of what can be proven true as opposed to what is simply theory or ‘hope’.

… and the research that could prove once and for all that there is ‘no link’, like a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated population study, the CDC just won’t do. We have been asking for it for a decade, there is a bill in congress to force the CDC to do it, but as of yet… no study.

Doesn’t that seem odd? I mean if health authorities were so sure that there was no association, why are they not rushing to do this study so they can put this vaccine autism argument to bed?

They… like us, know damn well there is a causal correlation and they are trying to do damage control with the completely unscientific argument that you just used that the timing is a coincidence.

The burden of proof is on them (and you since you have bought into that argument) to prove that it is a coincidence. So…

Please cite your proof to that effect.

“Secondly, the larger issue to myself is the cost/benefit. I see that raising a child with autism is of profound difficulty and I cannot fathom what it takes of parents, but considering that the correlation is not proven that vaccines cause autism, the benefit must be considered.“

This is an argument that we have been trying to make to those who are interested in cost benefit analysis. Raising and caring for one of our children will cost society between three and ten million dollars over their life time. That does not include lost productivity that my (very smart) son would have brought into society had he been able to free to work.

For those of us not so much interested in dollars, but lives… well… this is a very long discussion… The grief over what has been done to our children and the destruction in their lives is immeasurable.

In the 1970’s and early 1980’s infants received 10 vaccines and there were no costly disease epidemics. Autism rate 1 in 10,000. Children now receive 36 vaccines before the age of 18 months. Autism rate 1 in 150. Autism in an INCREDIBLY costly epidemic!

Again… this correlation and is not scientific proof of causality, but it is damn important and causality has to be disproven before it can be dismissed.

“If you have the opportunity you should investigate the effects of rubella in an infant of an infected mother. The effects are devastating to nearly all aspects of the infants health.”

Yes. I know what does to a developing child.

[As an aside, it has always been curious to me that the medical establishment says rubella during pregnancy is an established cause of autism, but the rubella vaccine given after birth could not possibly cause autism. That argument seems to be a big clue to the amount of denial going on in the minds of doctors who don’t want to believe they have hurt children.]

BUT….

CDC declared Rubella eradicated in the US in 2005. So should we not be making vaccine recommendations based on actual risk to an individual child (just like every other pharmaceutical in existence) and not based on the risk a previous generation?

Here is a piece that I wrote on another blog where I was viciously attacked for not giving my autistic son the MMR:

“Both our sons were being vaccinated up until Chandler was diagnosed. We stopped vaccinating both afterward, but allowed our older son to get two shots several years later after investigating them further and weighing the risks FOR HIM and putting reasonable precautions in place to avoid harm to his health from the shots. Our older son has gotten at least one dose of everything (which gives him about a 90% chance being protected by the shots (most are about 90% effective in the first dose, adding a few more percentages with each subsequent dose, but some people do not gain the immunity no mater how many times they are given a shot).

Chandler is autistic. He has very serious autoimmune disorder. His autistic symptoms are one expression of that disorder. His overactive immune system attacks his own tissues and debilitates him.

People who have autoimmune disorders should not be vaccinated. (Here I am quoting the head of the Maine state vaccine program when I called her to ask for a recommendation as to how to most wisely respond to a chicken pox case at my son’s school. Not exactly an anti-vaxxer.)

As a primer for those who may not know, the way vaccines work is that they contain a virus and substances called ‘adjuvants’ (like mercury and aluminum and others) that kick the immune system into high gear so that they go on the hunt for the viruses, eat ‘um up, and create antibodies against further infection.

In people with typical immune systems, the body then stands down from high alert. But in some people, it doesn’t, and the immune system begins to behave like early 20th century Germany and attacks what ever is in sight.

When it attacks the connective tissue, you get arthritis, when it attacks the mylon sheath around the nerves, it is called Guillain-Barré Syndrome, a known side effect of the flu shot that causes paralysis. When it attacks the pancreas it is known as Type 1 Diabetes. And on and on.

Because autism was first seen as a psychiatric problem caused by bad parenting, it has taken decades for it to be properly medically investigated, and for the autoimmune features of the disorder (i.e. cytokines in the brain causing swelling leading to cognitive dysfunction) to be recognized. (Which is why even mild anti inflammatory agents like fish oil improve communication skills of so many people with autism, and why parents report that children’s autistic symptoms seem to improve when their kids are sick.)

When Chandler was diagnosed and we had his immune system tested, viola… hyper drive. I just thought he had rough skin… turns out it was mild eczema. Started him on fish oil and his skin turned back into baby skin and his eye contact and verbal skills improved.

As we have reigned in his angry immune system over the last few years, his behavior and communication become less ‘autistic’.

So when you say that my son has zero risk from being vaccinated, you could not be more wrong.

His risk of exacerbating his autoimmune disorder is virtually 100% from being vaccinated. (That is also true from almost any other toxic insult that he may encounter).

It is actually much safer for him just to get the illness with out getting the adjuvants.

And the irony is, that when he actually does get sick, which is few and far between, it is very mild, because his immune system stomps it out so quickly.

In the case of rubella, I weigh a 100% chance of a decline in his long term health and functioning, against his chances of getting rubella which is lower than 1 in one million (the MMWR stats showed 267 cases in the US in 1999, in a distribution chart of the cases in 1994-1996, there where no cases in the state of Maine where we live).

[I have since learned that is lower that that…. Pretty much zero… because there is no rubella in the US]

In the very rare event that there is a rubella outbreak, because he has not been vaccinated for it, his school would call us and he would stay home until the risk has passed.

That happened last fall when a child at school got the chicken pox. Now the chicken pox vaccine is only 89% effective, so actually at least one in 10 kids can manifest the illness, but because he has not had the shot or the illness yet, he did not go to school and his teacher and therapists came to our home.

Small price to pay for the gains we have made in his health.

… Keep in mind, his immune system is over active and he just is not that susceptible to viruses. Last winter Pertusssis was all over our little town. (The vaccine is not that effective and the CDC reports around 14,000 confirmed cases a year last time I checked, not counting people who are never cultured and just think that they just have a really bad cough, which was me until I had been sick for a month and my next door neighbor/doc told me about the outbreak and said he thought I had it). I had a miserable 6 week course of death, my older son stayed home from school for two or three days as I recall, and Chandler coughed twice one morning, so I kept him home thinking he was getting sick, but he turned out to be fine and went back to school the next day.

My personal vaccination history? I got all my shots as a kid. But then again, I have a typical immune system so the risks for me were low. Add to that the much lighter vaccine schedule in the early 70’s, and my risk was much lower than it would be if I was born today.

Chandler, however, showed a serious reaction to his first shot at two weeks, and his doc should have recognized it as such and taken reasonable precautions, but he didn't [giving him three additional doses of the vaccine he reacted to, ignoring the vaccine safety precautions on the package insert] and Chandler continued to take the hits right up until he regressed following his 18 month vaccinations.

This is not about ending vaccination, this is about treating vaccination like the PHARMACUTICALS that they are. They should be measured as carefully as any other injectable medication is when being given to a child, especially a child with multiple medical problems and a history of reacting to those same medications.

Not every child can be safely vaccinated any more than every child can safely take antibiotics or eat peanut butter.

This is about looking at the individual child and figuring out what the risks are for THAT CHILD.

Would you indict a parent of a child who has extreme reactions to antibiotics for not giving them to a child because they could pass along a bacterial infection the same way you are indicting me, the parent of a child who has extreme reactions to vaccinations for not giving them to him because he could pass on a viral infection?

We live in a small town in Maine. There is no polio or rubella. There are mumps cases elsewhere in the state, and it if comes to our town we will have to weigh the risks again and take wise precautions. We have a medically fragile child and it is all about weighing the risks.”

“The vaccination movement has all but eradicated the incidence of this…”

Then we can back off from it. When you win a war, you don’t keep shooting. You adjust to the current risk as it changes.

Polio was eradicated from the US in 1979 and from the western hemisphere in the early 1990’s. So why are we still giving babies THREE doses of polio vaccine before they are 18 months old. That is over kill. How about waiting until they are two years old and their immune systems are developed before vaccinating them for an illness that they are not even at risk for?

The biggest health threat to American children today is not debilitation or death from viral injury (as it was in the 1940’s when my father, his brother and their father got polio, from which my grandfather did not recover), it is debilitation and death from toxic injuries.

It appears that we have traded treatable short term viral diseases (from which almost all victims completely recover) for permanent, neurological disabilities like autism, ADD and learning disabilities, and autoimmune disorders like autism, asthma and type 1 diabetes.

”…and that does not even consider the effects of measles and mumps.”

Measles and mumps are not that serious of a threat to children’s health. They were routine childhood illnesses for my parents and resulted in very few permanent injuries. There was an episode of the Brady Bunch where all the kids got the measles, but the CDC and the press have turned these two illnesses in to big, bad polio. They are trying to do the same with chicken pox now to scare parents into vaccinating.

We KNOW that mercury and aluminum kills brain cells and causes autoimmune and mitochondrial disorders. But we are injecting it into newborn babies repeatedly and pretending that the resulting, proven biological reactions are not taking place.

And the monumental absurdity is that the CDC and HHS list the symptoms of autism under their list of the effects of mercury poisoning in children and their list of effects of vaccine induced encephalopathy.

But when a child has these symptoms, and their mom brings them to their pediatrician, he does not screen them for vaccine induced encephalopathy, he does not test them for mercury poisoning. Instead he stops being a doctor, whose job it is to give MEDICAL diagnosis, and becomes a psychologist, which he is not even trained to be, calls it autism, a PSYCHOLOGICAL diagnosis, and sends the kid to speech therapy.

Medicine has completely abdicated their responsibility for our vaccine injured children.

Because vaccine injury is a very inconvenient diagnosis to give, but “autism” is no ones fault. Except mom and dad who gave the kid bad genes.

The reality is that ‘autism’ is a junk diagnosis. It describes behaviors but does not describe what is going on in a child’s body. It is an artifact.

As you say, “Autism” is one of those “no physical (laboratory or pathologic) evidence to prove its existence” disorders. But you can prove mercury/aluminum toxicity, autoimmune reaction, glutathione depletion, chronic vaccine strain measles infection, mitochondrial disorder, gastrointestinal damage, and on and on.

And all main stream medicine has to do to maintain the Mystery of Autism is just not test our kids for any of these things. Which they don’t. So they never have to be confronted with the evidence of the horrible possibility that the vaccine they administered to the precious child in front of them damaged them for life.

Until we stop pretending that autism just ‘happens’ and actually medically investigate what is going on in these kids bodies, we can continue to pass off these (pardon the frankness) BS arguments of the timing just being a coincidence.

“I realize again this sentiment may be unpopular but I want everyone to be well informed”

So you see, unpopular is not the problem, the problem is that you are not informed on what is really going on with what is commonly diagnosed as “Autism”. Because your profession is not informing you truthfully and no one has yet convinced you to stop taking their word for it and investigate it yourself.

So please allow me to be so bold as to push you to push yourself to really, REALLY look at this issue. Start here and read some of the research that supports the vaccine autism theory. Find out what the vaccine autism theory really is before you dismiss it.

So I am going to declare that you are wrong, and I am right, and that there is a causal association between vaccines and autism.

And I want you to prove me wrong.

Because if I am wrong… everyone needs to know that I am wrong and that my opinions are detrimental to kids.

So feel free to dig into the research that I have referred you to, and show me where my theories are in error or not backed up by science and sound reason.

“(sorry for such long entry).”

And I am sure by now you know that long entries are not a problem here either. ;)

So please, come back, spend lots of time… I love hearing from people in the scientific community that are earnestly looking into this, and you seem to me to be earnest.

Thanks for commenting!

Tim said...

Jenny Mccarthy professionally removes her clothes and lets strangers take pictures. SHE HAS NO DEGREE!!! From claims she has made, it is clear that she has no grasp on even basic chemistry.

Jim Carrey makes faces for a profession.

THEY KNOW NOTHING ON THE SUBJECT!!!!!

PLEASE research vaccines before you dismiss them out of hand.

Ginger Taylor said...

Tim,

It does not matter if Jenny was a stripper or a janitor or grocery store bagger. She has a vaccine injured child.

The nature of autism parenthood is that you find out very quickly that when you try to get your medical questions answered and your child's symptoms treated, that most docs won't give you the time of day, so you have to become an expert very quickly.

And you also need to keep in mind that Jenny has done something that none of her critics have done, recovered a child from autism.

That gives her more credibility than her detractors.

Results talk and bullshit walks.

Lance said...

Your story is heart breaking and my best wishes go out to you as you work full time with your child.
As you can see by the data in this link: http://mchb.hrsa.gov/mchirc/chusa_05/healthstat/children/graphs/0315cmH.htm
most children below age 14 die from unintentional injuries. If we continue with you and your followers logic, we shouldn't let our children walk the streets as cars kill and injure way more children then vaccines do. The researcher, Patrick is correct and I am amused that you only challenge dissenters posts with requests to back up their facts while permitting others free rein to wind tall tales with reckless abandon. Your autism data is incredibly misleading but, its not your fault. Autistic traits are present throughout soceity and some can actually be beneficial. Many children are being labeled as autistic or on "the spectrum" without appropriate evidence. This emotionally charged disease is taking the same course that ADHD/ADD did in the 90's. The new one is Bipolar disorder. Wait for the next Oprah on that one. Poor diagnostic criteria, lack of understanding, frustrated teachers without adequate funding, over-croweded classrooms, under-trained health care professionals are some of the causes. Bringing vaccinations in by anecdotal reports as a cause simply creates the potential for viruses we defeated years ago a foothold to start again. You put every newbon child at risk during their first year of life before then can get the MMR. http://mchb.hrsa.gov/mchirc/chusa_05/healthstat/children/graphs/0313vpdH.htm. Right now we have very few vaccine preventable diseases. Around the world measles causes more than 50% of the 1.7 Million childhood deaths. http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/02vol28/dr2810ea.html. There's the hard data you asked for.
No one argues Mercury should be eliminated. No one argues that rare vaccine related reactions occur. While this website may help families cope with autism your comments against vaccines endanger our society to a much greater degree.

About I N D I E Marketing Genius-Bobbi said...

Watch Jenny McCarthy talk about her son's autism.


In light of the recent Hannah Poling decision, in which the federal court conceded that vaccines could have contributed to her autism, we think the tide is finally turning in the direction of parents like us who have been shouting concerns from our rooftops for years.


Autism is a debilitating disorder, which according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is suffered by 1 in 150 kids, making it more common than childhood cancer, diabetes and AIDS combined.
Recently, England and Ireland reported that autism is affecting one in 58 individuals.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/02/mccarthy.autsimtreatment/index.html#cnnSTCVideo




My personal story:


I have five children. With my first three children I followed the Government issued schedule of vaccines from the first day, in the clusters they suggest. I was young, and I was trying to 'be a good parent' and do the right thing for my children.
Those three children suffered these side effects. I have one child who has mild Asperger Syndrome, a form of Autism. I have another child who suffered Selective Mutism and severe Asthma until the 8th grade, where she did not speak in public. And my third child suffered severe Eczema and where she scratched until she bled, hives, and childhood Anemia. Plus, they were always sick, always with colds, it seemed they had a low immune system.


I did not link the two, I thought it was genetic. However, in looking at both sides of the family, I saw no correlation. When I decided to have children again after 9 years, I studied, read and researched everything I could about vaccines. What I found out scared me to death. The cover-ups, the pharmaceutical kick-backs to the medical community, doctor and pediatric lies, the public schools with their kick backs and rewards.

I could not believe what I discovered. The Mercury in the vaccinations (which causes causes neurotoxicity in humans, especially in fetuses and small infants), the Mercury from thimerosal in vaccines is linked to increase in autism in a confidential CDC study. It is used for preserving the vaccination when it is made in the laboratories in large vats. You could link all non-independent studies-which shows that there is no Mercury in vaccinations, and that it has no correlation to Autism directly to Pharmaceutical companies who paid for the study.
Story after story from parents who saw their normal child go in to get a series of shots in one visit, and 'lose' their child to the horrific side effect of Autism. This is no joke, and I was taking no chances.


My last two children are healthy, smart and vibrant. No Autistic symptoms, and no side effects. My older children are almost fully recovered, but still have traces of the disorders. Here's what I did differently. I demanded no shots when my babies were born, and I signed a waiver. Their little 7 lb bodies should not be subjected to early vaccination. I waited almost a year before they had their first shots. I chose the shots (Polio, Rubella, Measles, Mumps). They did not get the DTP until over 18 months. (The DTP shot is a combination inoculation against diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis. It is given at 2, 4, 6, and 15 to 18 months of age-This vaccine is recommended for immunizing children 6 weeks of age through 6 years of age). I never took them in within a month of being sick or with a cold. I refuse the chicken pox vaccine, and still have yet to get caught 'up to date' on the Government schedule. And I am thankful.


I have gotten into heated arguments with pediatricians, nurses, and doctors. I have questioned them, I have presented facts, I have demanded them to break up the shots and not give so many clusters of vaccines in one 'series' or 'clump'. And I am glad I did. They fought me every step of the way. (However, I have discovered pediatricians who do not believe in scheduled vaccines).
I know I saved my children by a healthy diet, being educated and refusing to be following blindly what pediatricians, doctors and nurses say to me about anything. I have turned down antibiotics when they are sick, and in any high fever emergencies, which they almost rarely get, I grill the doctor who wants to administer a shot of what is the ingredients, what are the side effects, what are the preservatives? I even have them give me the information pamphlet that was included with the drug when sold to the doctor.
I hope this article has helped a mother or father to encourage you to study, be informed, know what people are putting into your children's bodies.



I tell the preschools I have chosen, that I follow a A Parent's Right to Choose. We have a right to say no to vaccines.
Be weary if you hear from a nurse or doctor, "No, she needs ALL of her 15 and 18 month vaccines at the next appointment." Survey: 98% Say Parents Should Have Right to Refuse Vaccination. If you hear a parent defend the vaccination schedule, ask where they received their information from. If you read a pro vaccination article, read the fine print. Follow the yellow brick road, see who wrote it, who was quoted and do research. It all goes back to the laboratories, a huge $58.8 billion industry that is very powerful.


Follow your heart, and do what is best for your child, you could be saving their life.

my site: http://www.BobbiMillerMoro.com

Pinky said...

Please look up the history of smallpox and how it affects people. Then look up how people have eradicated smallpox from the earth. It was because of the smallpox vaccine that many of us never had to go through the signs and sympotoms of this horrible disease. Just because the internet gives you fast information does not mean that it is right. Please think for yourselves and do your own proper research. Many of the diseases that troubled past generations are not as frequent as they use to be because of vaccines. Not letting your kids get vaccinated is the worst thing you could possibly do. People are making great strides to help get rid of as many diseases as possible. So if there were a way that your child would not have to suffer through smallpox, measles, or polio wouldn't you take it?

Michael said...

Vaccines have literally saved more lives than could be counted. If this nonsense hysteria leads to vaccines not being taken and the subsequent return of MMR to children, then you crazy people should hold the sole blame for that.

New Dad 2009 said...

Hi there, my fiancee and I were talking about this very issue last night, and she brought up this show, and now I am really torn about what to do. My son just turned 2 months yesteday and we want to protect him against these dieseases, but I am shocked by some of the statistics that are being said. My sister in law waited til her daughter was 4 months to immunize her, something about the size of vaccine is the same if you have a 8 pound or a 12 pound 2 month old. This is such a hard decision.

Orions trousers said...

You have to be completely ignorant on the function of the immune system to think that a vaccine is not scientifically proven to prevent diseases. what about small pox?? whooping cough? rubella? mumps? yea i thought so.

A vaccine works in that it puts a non virulent form (there are other methods) of the pathogen into the body so that the immune respones is triggered.

This creates anti bodies to deal with further encounters with that disease thus significantly lowering the amount of time it takes for your body to control the infection. This prevents any symptoms being shown as the infection is removed to quickly.

ur 10 week old kid is only healthy because she is running on passive immunity from your body. once that runs out her body is going to have to fend for itself. the likelyhood of catching whooping cough or rubella is obviously low.

This is because of herd immunity, where the vast majority of the population (~75%?) has been vaccinated against the pathogen making it much tougher for the pathogen to take hold or find someone susceptible.

and as for causing autism there is no correlation between any vaccination and an increase in autism. the recent rises are due increased diagnosis due to numerous factors (media, better technology, etc)

so by all means listen to some porn star if it makes you happy and dont innoculate your child but if your child falls ill with one of these illness that are easily vaccinated, then i would suggest you go running to her and let her healing hands save your child and dont waste the tax payers money.

and as for reversing the damage done by vaccines?? with herbs?? you would be better off chatting to a mysterious bearded man in the sky.

Ginger Taylor said...

Hi OT,

I encourage folks commenting here to dial down the rhetoric and sarcasm so conversation can be a bit more constructive here than elsewhere on the internet.

Wanted to call to your attention the UC Davis Study that showed that the increase in autism in California is not due to better diagnosing, diagnostic substitution, etc.

And while there are a few people that argue that vaccines are not effective, I am not one of those people. That is true for some people with disregulated immune systems, but not for most.

But safety is not the same as efficacy, and even if vaccines were 100% effective, that speaks nothing to their safety.

There is no debate on whether or not vaccines can cause permanent injury and even death for some. That is why the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program exists.

But the debate is which vaccines are safe for whom.

I am a mother of a child whom they were not safe for. It is time to end the petty bickering and be objective on what these chemical assaults are doing to our kids.

Orions trousers said...

To 'About I N D I E Marketing Genius-Bobbi' you talk about mercury being in the vaccines but it is in the from ethylmercury this is not a neurotoxin, dont be confused by the fact that an element in its elemental is harmful once it is in the form of a compound.

for example sodium chloride (table salt) sprinkle sodium on your food and you're gonna be in a pretty bad way. breathe in chlorine gas and you are most certainly going to know about it.

test have been performed with ethylmercury (thiomersal) that include vaccinating people without, and with it in both cases there is no correlation with autism numbers.

and you stating that the children that are not vaccinated still have the disorders present indicates that there is a high probability that it is genetic.

because there is no sign of such illnesses in your family it in no way discounts a genetic inheritance.

not all genes manifest themselves in visable forms. a persons phenotype (visable make-up if you like) is determined by their genotype.

the ilness could be carried on a recessive allele and your children maybe homozygous recessive for the illness which would show the illness.

the other members in your family maybe heterozygous and the dominant allele will determine their phenotype.

this may not be the case with your children. but unless you have some knowledge to the way vaccines work and how genes are passed on then don't point the finger

and just before i go i would like to say that im sorry for your children that they have to bare any illnesses

Orions trousers said...

Hey Ginger Taylor i read the UC Davis page and i dont think that it indicates that a vaccine is a problem. there are a lot of lifestyle changes that could just aswell be the cause of the said rise in autism.

but hey, who knew it was the rats that caused the plague?

Orions trousers said...

what nowadays doesnt cause injury, the wrong person eating a carrot and getting an allergic reaction could cause an injury but boycotting all consumption of carrots because of this would be insane.

or exercising and breaking your leg but if everyone stops exercising then we are gonna have a very ill population.

of course these are just silly examples

and i cant remember where im going with this

Ginger Taylor said...

OT,

Mercury is neurotoxic in all its forms.

It has been said that ethylmercury (form in vaccines) is safer than methylmercury (form in fish), but one chemist and expert on mercury said of that comparison, that it is true in the same way two bullets to the head is safer than six bullets to the head.

And NIH's environmental wing published the Burbacher study that found that ethylmercury was actually bound in the brain longer than fish mercury..

Mercury also causes mitochondrial dysfunction, which the Department of Health and Human Services has already ruled can play a part in autism causation.

"test have been performed with ethylmercury (thimerosal) that include vaccinating people without, and with it in both cases there is no correlation with autism numbers."I have written extensively about these studies and they are notoriously flawed. The only thimerosal/autism study that the CDC has done, Julie Gerberding had to admit to Congress that it was crap before she left her post.

CDC also now has been forced to recognize that autism is not purely genetic, but a genetic predisposition to an environmental insult. (There are some cases of purely genetic autism, but probably on represent around 1% of cases).

I started putting together a single post with research that backs the vaccine/autismlink here. It is not a complete list, but does address many of the points you are making.

I hope you will take some time to read there.

Ginger Taylor said...

OT,

It doesn't suggest that vaccines are a cause, merely that the increase is real, and not a statistical artifact because of "better diagnosing".

But if the increase is real, that points to an environmental cause, as there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic.

Ginger Taylor said...

"but boycotting all consumption of carrots because of this would be insane."

And if you were a regular reader of the blog or spent a little more time to hear what Ms. McCarthy is advocating, it is not boycotting all vaccines.

It is determining what vaccine schedule is safe for whom. The consequences of vaccine injury are dire. If the wrong person eats carrots and gets sick, we stop giving them carrots.

Not so with vaccines.

Children like my son had early vaccine reactions that docs didn't take seriously, and yet they continued to give them 5 and 7 vaccines at once, even the shots that they had already reacted to (which is contraindicated on the vaccine package insert itself).

Because so many have seen so much good from the vaccine program, they have become willingly blind to overuse and improper use of vaccines.

Vaccines are not "good" or "bad". They are a bolus dose of chemicals and viruses that when injected into the human body will behave according to the laws of nature, many of which we just don't understand.

So approaching them with a one size fits all approach is as unethical as giving EVERY person penicillin, knowing that it will kill some.

Vaccine decisions should be made based on thorough investigation, humility and wisdom, not knee jerk reactions that vaccines are 'good' or 'bad'.

And you have to know that it made me sick to my stomach to find that the vaccine that my son had a severe reaction to at three weeks of age, and was given three more times despite it (the last time regressing into autism) to read the package insert for myself and find out that the safety studies had only followed children for THREE DAYS after getting the shot.

No one gets an autism diagnosis in three days.

I would like to encourage you to read a few package inserts, spend some time on the blog, and look at what the research (the whole research picture) actually says.

Vaccines are pharmaceuticals, and like any other Rx, it will make some sick and a few dead. That makes a one size fits all vaccine schedule immoral.

Icsorts said...

"We vaccinated our baby and something happened."

This is my favorite quote from this blog post.

When I was 14 I had a polio vaccine, shortly afterward I broke my leg. The mainsteam media needs to do more to let the world know about the link between vaccination and broken limbs.

Ginger Taylor said...

Nope... not if you were the only person to get the polio vaccine and then break a limb...

...but if tens of thousands of people got the polio vaccine and then their limbs started breaking, then yes...

It would be incumbent upon the media to investigate whether or not there was a link between the polio vaccine and skeletal damage, and whether the medical authorities and makers of said vaccine were actually doing their due diligence to make sure the products they were producing, regulating, recommending and even coercing people to take, were not causing harm to the public.

Ginger Taylor said...

Dear Mr. Watchman,

I have a very open comments policy. My only rule is no "you are an idiot" posts.

I encourage people to challenge anything I write, but they need to actually challenge what I write and make a point.

Your post was literally, "Lady your an idiot" and you even spelled "you're" wrong.

So I have deleted your post, but invite you to repost a comment that stretches your brain muscles and advances the discussion. But you have to make an arguement.

You can even call me an idiot, if you make a point as to why I am an idiot.

And Linking to someone else's post that I am an idiot is not making an arguement.

Wesley said...

Hi

I live in Africa. Since you guys would rather die from preventable diseases, I wonder if you can send those vaccines over here. Every day Africans die of diseases that you delibrately expose you children to (instead of vaccines). I find it ironic that most you will spend more money on treatments than you would have on a vaccine. Big pharma should encourage more Jennies, its great for business.

Ginger Taylor said...

Wayne,

Thank you for visiting.

Africa, as I am sure I don't need to tell you, offers a much different set of risks to children's health than the United States does.

Vaccinating American children according to the risk factors of African children (such as giving them rotavirus vaccines that may do more damage here and more good there) is poor public health policy.

Oddly, it is my understanding that American children are much more highly vaccinated than African children, so, while I believe you are being scarcity about sending you the vaccines, that actually may be a more appropriate solution to the problems our two continents have.

Icsorts said...

You've missed my point, ''tens of thousands of people'' do break a limb some point after they have had a vaccine and no one is investigating a link between the two because correlation does not imply causation. Kids who have autism also eat bread, every single autistic child will most likely have had bread at some point in their life, this does not mean bread is the cause of autism. We all breathe, this does not mean oxygen is the cause of autism. Vaccines are just one of the many things we all have in common.

Autism is usually diagnosed in early childhood with symptoms becoming apparent in the first few years of a child's life, this is also when most children receive their vaccines. Vaccine administration age and the diagnosis age of autism are around about the same, that's all. There have been many studies into the supposed link and none have shown it exists.

You and fellow proponents of the ''vaccines cause autism'' conspiracy suffer from a serious case of confirmation bias and can offer no real scientific evidence to support your claims.

Now if you were only hurting your own children by not having them vaccinated I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it, but the fear of the fictitious link between autism and vaccines you put into other parents puts other children at risk and the increased amount of individuals who are unvaccinated in our community puts those who rely on herd immunity at risk.The very real end result of this is an increase of preventable deaths from illnesses people should be vaccinated against.

So, please go and think about the standard of proof you required to make the assumption that vaccines cause autism and think about the standard of proof you hold to disprove this link. Please go and read about the many studies and findings in this area, please go and read about the impact vaccines have had on our society and finally please go and read about the increase in preventable deaths since people like Jenny McCarthy stared their fear mongering. Because these irrational positions have a very real and very detrimental effect on all of us.

Sorry for the late response.

Ginger Taylor said...

"correlation does not imply causation"

If I have one more person post this I think that I am going to loose my fricking mind.

No... of course correlation does not prove causation (and you quoted it wrong... it does in fact "imply" causation, but does not prove it)

And IF the only thing we were talking about here was correlation between vaccination and regression, yes... you would have a point.

BUT CLEARLY YOU ARE NOT EVEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FRICKING AUTISM VACCINE DEBATE!!!

This blog has been in existence for five years, and has been reviewing the research for as long. You have come in, read ONE POST and nothing else, and made the false assumption that in the one thousand plus posts I have written that none of them do anything but assume that correlation is the only evidence that exists and the only evidence that I believe need exist to prove causation.

You can be arrogant, you can be uninformed, but it makes me nuts when people are both.

So if you would like to come back and debate the vaccine/autism connection, the research and anything else, first spend at least an day or so reading the blog and hitting the highlights, but better yet, pick up a copy of "Changing the Course of Autism" by Bryan Jepson and actually find out what the vaccine autism theories are before trying to have a debate about it.

Sorry for being so blunt, but you have walked into a graduate course on autism and apparently think that you can blow us out of the water with the first thing you learned in Autism 101.

I would encourage you to start with my list of research (by no means a comprehensive list) found under "No Evidence of Any Link" in the "Highlights" section found on the top right of the blog, and if you don't have a context for what the research means, read Jepson's book.

Ginger Taylor said...

Icsorts,

I apologize for being short tempered with you. You are my guest and I should have been nicer.

You will note that I have added an update to the post with a primer on the autism/vaccine theory for the uninitiated. Many thousands of people have come here from a You Tube video of someone who is uninformed on the issues ranting about how wrong we are on the issues, and it has lead to a string of pridefully uninformed comments.

I hope you will take the time to educate yourself on the true issues at play here and take a fresh look at the debate. Most of the information I post here is NOT circulated in the media or the medical community and we routinely run into doctors and nurses, who administer vaccines, and have no idea that this information is out there.

There are merely told that there is no link, and only crazy, desperate people who listen to blond TV stars over science believe that vaccines are implicated in autism. They are ACTIVELY encouraged not to get into discussions with people like me. (Much like Scientologists are actively discouraged, and even forbidden, from talking to 'supressives' or from going on the internet to find anything about their religious group from any other source but their leaders).

I should have given you props for taking the time to earnestly engage me, but my patience was pretty low this morning.

I urge you to do the research for yourself, think for yourself, and make decisions for yourself.

Wes said...

Its really painful to read these comments about autism. But its more painful to see people being fooled into thinking vaccines causes it. The reason why scientist won't listen to you guys anymore is because they already looked at the possible link. They found in study after study after study that vaccines does not cause autoimmune disease or autism. Its was a waste of time taking valuable resources away from real research into autism. All of this caused by one rogue man who ignored even his graduate students experiments that disproves his claim. How many more kids will have to die because of this heaven only knows.

Ginger Taylor said...

Wes,

Please cite the studies that you believe disprove the autism/vaccine theory and please reference the studies that show that vaccines don't cause autoimmune disease.

The fact that vaccines DO cause autoimmune disease is not debated. In fact it is listed on the packaging as potential adverse reactions.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

For example, the flu shot can cause Guillain-Barré Syndrome, an autoimmune disorder in which the immune system attacks the central nervous system. But you claim that it cannot cause autism, an autoimmune disorder in which the immune system attacks the central nervous system?

As a matter of fact, the understanding of vaccine and autoimmunity is only expanding. Early this year the Federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ruled that a case of MS (autoimmune) was caused by a Hepatitis B vaccine and awarded funds to the injury victim. The medical community was not alerted and the media did not carry the story.

Please see my list of research, cited above, for more information on vaccination and autoimmunity.

Ginger Taylor said...

Wes,

It is a misnomer that Wakefield was the one who brought forth the idea that vaccines were implicated in autism.

I heard about the theory in my undergraduate psych program at George Mason University in 1989. And Leo Kanner, who first defined autism in the 1940's noted that one of the first 11 cases on which he based his theories was a regression following a small pox vaccination.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Sophie60 said...

This is such an overwhelming subject. The passion that some people are expressing is so intense here.

This is such an individualized subject. I have to wonder if those who post with anger against the choice not to vaccinate have ever been faced with watching their children change/withdraw – wanting it to STOP? Have they even met a person who has autism? Do they know the life long implications? I don't think that I could EVER tell another person what is right for THEM. I couldn't live with myself if I were wrong. Who REALLY KNOWS what is right and wrong for every individual person?

I don't have a child with Autism. I have a child who I started to vaccinate...then I noticed he was becoming different from about 5 months to 9 months old. He wouldn't look at anyone - he just seemed to have a blank look in his eyes, he wouldn't smile, wouldn't look at people who were talking to him and he would scream with tears at any sudden sound (even a sneeze). I vaccinated my daughter – who is 4 years older - with a little concern - but I watched her and nothing seemed odd. However, when my son seemed to be so vacant I had to stop the shots (after his 6 month shots). It was NOT an easy decision to make; I certainly didn't take it lightly. I worried about my decision (and still do) constantly. BUT, I just couldn't roll the dice with him anymore.

I noticed by the time that he was about 11 months old that he was a completely different little boy. There were smiles, hugs, kisses - completely participation in life with us. I will never know if my decision to cease the vaccinations helped - but I do feel in my gut that it was the right one for US.

This has NOT been an easy road, but it is certainly easier than the road that I would have been on if in fact my instincts were correct. I get so upset when some doctors treat me with such a lack of respect – like I have intentionally harmed my child. It baffles me. These people were NOT in my home, caring for my child, watching his daily development unfold. I have found that some doctors can be very mean. I don’t get it? If you have a point to make that you feel is 100% correct – why make the point with anger? That doesn’t persuade me to hear your words – it just makes me not like YOU. I would NEVER tell anyone to vaccinate or not to vaccinate - as that is a highly individualized choice. There are too many variables to consider when making that decision.

Atlas said...

Gawd, Americans are so uneducated idiots -.-
How can you even remotely believe something that has been debunked over and over and was based on a fake report to cash in on an illegal lawsuit?
Amazeing. Just amazeing.

Ginger Taylor said...

Atlas,

Thank you for your visit and your frank discussion of your viewpoint.

As you clearly have not even read the blog, (and only know what the Press tells you) allow me to point you to a few of the highlights.

In the top right corner you will find a link entitled, "No Evidence of Any Link" which lists about 50 research articles supporting the theory that vaccines cause autism. None of them are the Wakefield study that you reference, which vaccine interests chose to use as their scapegoat to try to point people away from the fact that the current vaccine program is causing widespread neurological and immune system damage in children.

Following that, you will not be able to help but notice the book featured in the top right corner entitled, "Vaccine Epidemic". I have written chapter 18 of the book which focuses on the admission by the US government that vaccines cause "encephalopathy" (the medical term for brain damage) that causes autism.

We welcome open discussion on this blog, but you actually have to be informed on what the discussion is in the first place, not just drop in, insult people and leave.

If you have any questions or comments on the actual content being discussed, please let me know.

Other wise you just look like an uninformed jerk.

Wes said...

That article on porphyrinuria is interesting. It makes me wonder if you bothered to read it. *sigh* At least the science is making progress

By the way 1100 dead in the DRC from measles. They really need vaccines over there.

Goodnight

Ginger Taylor said...

They could also use potable water and basic infrastructure.

What happens when you vaccinate the malnourished?

And if the measles vaccine will prevent deaths in the DRC, does that also mean that it will not cause any neurological deficits?

And should children in the US be vaccinated as if they were in the Congo?

And what happens when you administer mealses vaccine at the same time as mumps, rubella, polio, Hep A, Hep B, Pnumo, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and HIB like they do in the US? Since there is not one research paper on the simultaneous administrations on the CDC schedule, we have no idea now do we?

But measles kills people in the Congo, so stop asking questions and put these 8 vaccines in your 2 months old in Portland?



And have you put any thought into this conversation at all?

Ginger Taylor said...

Can I just call your attention to the US vaccine schedule for a moment:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/0-6yrs-schedule-pr.pdf

Have you actually read this?

Does it at all bother you that this many shots are being given at once without any science to back it up?

Wes said...

"They could also use potable water and basic infrastructure." AND VACCINES

"What happens when you vaccinate the malnourished?" Nothing

"And if the measles vaccine will prevent deaths in the DRC, does that also mean that it will not cause any neurological deficits?"
Logical fallacy called BEGGING THE QUESTION....it

"And should children in the US be vaccinated as if they were in the Congo?" Yes...look up the hygiene hypothesis.

"And what happens when you administer mealses vaccine at the same time as mumps, rubella, polio, Hep A, Hep B, Pnumo, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and HIB like they do in the US? Since there is not one research paper on the simultaneous administrations on the CDC schedule, we have no idea now do we?"
Its called life... you get inoculated all the time. When you scratch yourself. When someone sneezes on you. It may not be with a clean sterile needle, it might just be with very dirty splinter.
Logical fallacy called Appeal to Ignorance btw...

But measles kills people in the Congo, so stop asking questions and put these 8 vaccines in your 2 months old in Portland?"
It makes it worst when it kills in Portland, because it is preventable.
"Logical fallacy appeal to emotion"

I don't know why keep replying...too much confirmation bias to contend with. Maybe I should unsubscribe.

Ginger Taylor said...

"What happens when you vaccinate the malnourished?" Nothing

Please cite your source for the science behind vaccinating a malnourished population. Is it safe? Does it work?

"And if the measles vaccine will prevent deaths in the DRC, does that also mean that it will not cause any neurological deficits?"
Logical fallacy called BEGGING THE QUESTION....it

I am making the point that safety and efficacy are two different things, how many new cases of neurological injury per prevented death? Please cite your source.

"And should children in the US be vaccinated as if they were in the Congo?" Yes...look up the hygiene hypothesis.

So you are saying US children have the same risks of Congolese children? How do you figure that? And yes I know what the hygiene hypotheses is, how does that apply here?

"And what happens when you administer mealses vaccine at the same time as mumps, rubella, polio, Hep A, Hep B, Pnumo, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and HIB like they do in the US? Since there is not one research paper on the simultaneous administrations on the CDC schedule, we have no idea now do we?"
Its called life... you get inoculated all the time. When you scratch yourself. When someone sneezes on you. It may not be with a clean sterile needle, it might just be with very dirty splinter.
Logical fallacy called Appeal to Ignorance btw...

Now you are just being silly.

When a company or the government wants to sell a product or a program to and individual to the public, the BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THEM to show that it will be beneficial to that individual or group.

If you want to deliver 8 vaccines into a 2 year old, you have to show that it is safe and in that child's best interest. No one has even looked.

But measles kills people in the Congo, so stop asking questions and put these 8 vaccines in your 2 months old in Portland?"
It makes it worst when it kills in Portland, because it is preventable.
"Logical fallacy appeal to emotion"

Cut the crap. That is an appeal to common sense and basic logic. You are saying that measles vaccine is needed in the Congo, there all children need dozens of vaccines.
I guess if A=B then B equals all other letters in the English language? Absurd.

EvilMel said...

You stupid fucking cunts! I actually have autism, and I am EXTREMELY offended by this sack of bullshit. I know far more than Jenny McCarthy about autism, and it's NOT caused by vaccines. She's an idiot Hollywood celebrity who just wants attention. She's not a doctor. She's not a medical professional. She is not credible in ANY way shape or form. You people would actually let your children die from preventable diseases just because some Hollywood cunt told you vaccines give children autism? You are the absolute worst parents EVER. I am offended that you people think autism is worse than death. You putrid fucking cunts.

BMJC17 said...

EvilMel, thank you for saying something I wanted to say for a long time. And yes I have autism. How about this for an idea? Imagine, hypothetically of course, if new studies showed that drinking water, clean sterile water, has a chance of causing cancer because people have drunk water, and later in their lives been diagnosed with cancer? Is this a link? My friend drinks water every day. He has cancer. So do some of the friends and friends of friends I know. Does this instantly mean that water is a cause for cancer? NO. Does Jenny McCarthy have degrees in Biology and chemistry? Is she more intelligent than the doctors that have said that vaccines do not cause autism? No, I doubt that she is. Autism is a genetic neurological defect, caused by recessive or sometimes dominant genes in the human chromosomes. I have never had a vaccine in my life. I have autism. And this woman has, quite frankly, no idea what she is talking about.

Thank you,
Peace out
-Benito C

Deb said...

...it wasn't the rats,it was the fleas.