Things are Different Now. It is Time to Act Differently Now.

Today the Virginia bill to remove vaccine exemptions was dead on arrival, and withdrawn by the sponsor.

Yesterday I wrote that this year was not like last year, that we are the powerful force now, and that was proved to us in one 8 minute hearing in the VA legislature.

It is time to realize that WE are the powerful force now, not THEM. On Tuesday, Ben Swann made the Thompson documents public and gave adetailed explanation of what they meant. FROM THAT MOMENT ON THIS BECAME OUR GAME. We have intercepted the ball, and it is time to move from defense to offense, but I don't think we have realized that.  Realize it.

Tim Keller is one of my favorite pastors. He is that rare bird that is a conservative preacher that actually understands the plight of the oppressed. He has a sermon where he explores why, more than a generation after all laws oppressing blacks in the US were repealed, that they still suffer and struggle. One of his points is on the phenomenon that some older black Americans still seem to defer to their white counterparts, even while holding deep resentment toward them.

He describes a man, living under Jim Crow his whole life, calling every white man he meets on the street, "Sir." But when he suddenly acquires all the legal rights of those to whom he has had to defer, and whom may have owned his ancestors, he is still, in his heart, the man who calls them, "Sir." He has been lied to from birth that he is less than, and unlearning that lie, even when one wants to, is a difficult task.

How hard it is to become healed and free when one can't cast off the lie of the oppressor that was used to keep a group oppressed.

The elephant who had his ankled chained to a staked in the ground when he was a 200 lb baby, will still believe that same small ankle chain and stake in the ground can prevent him from walking away when he is a full grown 6,000 lb elephant.

This is where we are today. We have been the powerless for so long that we are at risk of not realizing that we are the powerful now.

It is time for us to cast off the lie that we have no power. Because we are the ones who have the power now.

That Virginia bill sponsor pulled the bill because she could not win. And at this point, THIS WILL BE THE NORM. California SB 277 will not stand. It cannot survive the truth we now have, because THEY have been so foolish as to give us a way to get back into a court room.

2016 is the year of GO!

We don't need to spend time complaining on facebook about our legislators, or Autism Speaks, or the AAP or the AMA or the CDC or Pharma... it is time to brush aside those like the trolls, the media, and the Autism Speaks of the world who have tried to get in between us and those who are corrupt and harming our children, and to straight at those who are the true evil doers here.

So don't waste time being afraid of your pediatrician (quit them), your family or in laws (if they start to harass you just turn on the Ben Swann piece and tell them to sit down and listen), or your school administrators (sue them), or health departments (sue them too) or other moms who are being nasty (tell them to their face that they have been lied to and you are available any time to help them understand the corruption issue and recommend some good books so they can make informed vaccine decisions), or legislators (we can now LOVE fighting these bills because we have so much powerful truth to tell!)

Ours is no longer a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

So look down at your leg and realize you are not wearing a chain binding you from moving, you are wearing an anklet that is merely a symbol of their failing ATTEMPT to chain you down. You are now mature and powerful. You are now a 6,000 lb elephant.

But a caution to be as wise as that elephant, too.

We must be sober, serious and respectable. We must be above reproach. We must be unassailable in our claims. We must treat one another with all due respect and we must be respectful of the uncorrupted officials whom we will be coming before. They have been blinded, and it is time for them to see the light.

Proverbs 24: 17-18Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;Or the Lord will see it and be displeased,And turn His anger away from him.

I will repeat again what I have been saying for a month now, I believe that this is a spiritual problem, a problem of the heart, and that the blindness of the majority in our country to this evil now requires a spiritual solution. If it were merely a matter of truth and reason, this would have been properly addressed in 1999 when it came to light.

It has been kept in place and been doing untold damage to our population internationally, because of darkness and lies, and the thing that will change it, that is changing it, is God opening eyes and humbling hearts to face this difficult truth.

It was Thompson's grief and conviction over his wrong doing that finally opened up the truth through official channels. I believe it will continue to be humility, love and fearlessness that will allow the dominoes to continue to fall, and lead to truth, healing and reform.

So if you are a believer, and even if you are not, but are open, to sit down and seek God on this issue, and for yourself.

I will leave you with my reading for myself for today. This is strong and wise instruction for me, a vaccine injury mother who was introduced to the world by Dan Olmsted on UPI in 2005 as "One Angry Mom."  I hope you will all consider reading it carefully and taking it to heart as we move forward in this new paradigm. (emphasis mine)

Ephesians 4New American Standard Bible 

Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift. Therefore it says,

“When He ascended on high,
He led captive a host of captives,
And He gave gifts to men.”

(Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.

So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

Therefore, laying aside falsehood, speak truth each one of you with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. Be angry, and yet do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Online Harassment: Ryan Searfoss Wants Me To Kill Myself. Perhaps You Too.

I have not done a ton of writing about the individual bullying that goes on to families like ours.  But this one deserves a spotlight.  Ryan Searfoss is writing to mothers like me to tell them to kill themselves.  Because we know that sending messages like these are potentially very harmful, can lead to the end of a life, and are completely out of the bounds of acceptable behavior in society.

This holds for every human in this debate.  While certainly disability parents should never be treated this way, not even the most corrupt public official should be either.

And whomever this Ryan Serfoss guy is, and I don't have a clue, I hope those who know him, and whatever community he belogs to, will tell him to cut it out.

Update:

Since posting this I have found four more women who have similar messages from him, all sent over the span of a year and a half.  This is a habitual offender apparently.  Will post their screen shots if they give me permission.

Update 3/7/16

Mr. Searfoss apparently has become aware of this post, and sent me the following today:

UPDATE:

He is still at it.  This week from Yolanda Gilbert Gracia:

And he is still at it.  From Cassi Osborn:  5/18/2017

A Public Service Announcement From Your Friendly Vaccine Safety Advocate

If my work has been of service to you in any way, please tip your advocate.

Dear Doctors that are "horrified" that Donald Trump and others claim that vaccines are linked to autism

Dear Doctors that are "horrified" that Donald Trump and others claim that vaccines are linked to autism,

You don't know the research.  It shows that they are.


You have had liability protection for vaccine injury and death for 30 years, you cannot be held accountable for your false statements or ignorance about vaccine risks.  If and when you kill or harm a child with a vaccine, their parents cannot sue you.

So when you are ready to give up your immunity, be taken to court, sit in the witness stand, be subject to discovery, be cross examined by my lawyers, under penalty of perjury, in front of a judge, jury and the media, THEN you can be “horrified” at anyone’s vaccine stance.  But as you have exactly ZERO accountability for the veracity of your vaccine safety claims, keep your manufactured umbrage to yourselves.

You can either have liability protection OR you can have the public trust.
You don’t get both.

Sincerely,
Ginger Taylor, MS
Mother of a vaccine injured child

Late Annual Birthday Fundraiser This Year

So usually every year on my birthday in January I put out the tip jar and ask that if I have been of service to you in any way in the past year, that you consider lightening my financial burden with a few of those dollars that are so popular with so many people now a days.

But this year we took off running with our hair on fire Jan 1 when Pharma fired a starting pistol and sent everyone racing after our vaccine exemptions, and all other life kinda halted.  Including the other paid work I usually do.

So now it is June and the coffers are dry and the bank is still insisting that we pay the mortgage and I checked to see if they would take facebook likes and twitter RTs instead of federal reserve notes, but apparently they are not quite that far into the digital economy yet.  (They really need to step into the internet age.)

So, if my work this year has been of service to you in any way, please tip your advocate.

Julie Stikes It Rich!

CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR GOOD FRIEND JULIE GERBERDING!

She is officially a Merck Millionaire, and it only cost her the health and neurologicial functioning of at least 2% of our population!!!

"Merck & Co. (NYSE:MRK) EVP Julie L. Gerberding sold 38,368 shares of the stock in a transaction that occurred on Friday, May 8th. The stock was sold at an average price of $60.99, for a total transaction of $2,340,064.32. Following the completion of the transaction, the executive vice president now directly owns 31,985 shares of the company’s stock, valued at approximately $1,950,765.15. "

DON'T DO IT, ALICE!!! GO BACK TO THE GARDEN PARTY!

Any artists out there? I need a picture of Alice after being in Wonderland for about a decade. Fat, bitter, barely sane, cigar in one hand as she pours whisky into a tea cup with the other.

Dear Susan...

I am offically loosing it.

I just vented at one of my mom's oldest friends. Known her since I was in 7th grade. Love her... she is a good woman who has endured great hardship with admirable grace and faith in God.

Long story short..

Mom: "Susan just had a grandbaby, send vaccine info"
Me: "Sending basic Hep B birth series info."
Susan: "Polio is bad."
Me: "Susan, take this seriously, you are pissing me off."
Susan, "I don't know why you are offended. I know how hard you work on autism awareness."

And then I lost my shit. A decade of watching baby after baby after baby after baby fall... and not being able to stop it. Sometimes I think I will end up being a crazy woman who starts screaming on a street corner one day and never stops.

My email to Susan (not her real name) that could be sent to any grandparent in this country.

Susan,

I am offended because because you don't seem to be taking this matter seriously. I don't know how else to explain it.

Vaccine safety in abysmal in this country, half of our kids are suffering from chronic illness, and no matter how much mainstream research and government information I give to people, few seem to get that their tiny babies are in danger of life long damage and illness because their families are blindly participating in the most corrupt program in medicine.

I am offended because I don't do any work for "autism awareness." I hate "autism awareness." "Autism Awareness" month is something that we survive, not appreciate. "Autism Awareness" is a propaganda campaign that hurts families that have a child with and autism diagnosis, and prevents them from getting proper medical care. You have heard of "pink washing" yes? Well "autism awareness" is blue washing. Today is May 1st and my fb feed is full of "Thank God that *&%$#& month is finally over," messages from "autism" moms. And the fact that you can be reading my mothers posts for years and think that I support "autism awareness" work makes me want to bang my head on the wall, and burst into tears. The fact that I can spend a decade of my life trying to communicate serious medical risk issues, only to see that smart people are hearing that I am trying to work on "autism awareness" while their children get sicker and sicker has turned me into someone that struggles with very deep anger on a daily basis.

So I will try one more time to make you understand what I am trying to communicate to you.

Susan... there really is no such thing as "autism." There are no kids with "autism," there are only children with an autism diagnosis. A diagnosis of autism is merely a description of behaviors that has no connection to anything in hard science. Forget "autism" exists, it is just an archaic term used by a Doctor at Johns Hopkins in 1943 to describe something he had never seen before. What is happening in the modern western world is that children are undergoing an extreme assault of manufactured chemicals from the moment of conception, that is such a radical departure from our entire evolutionary history going back to The Garden, that the entire generation of children is sick and neurologically damaged. Kids with an "autism" diagnosis are just a subset of those chemically/metabolically injured children who have some behaviors in common, but often have vastly different medical pictures and biological syndromes that are causing the behaviors.

My testimony to you is that modern medicine (and food) is destroying the health of our children, and then refusing to treat them.

More than HALF of all US children are chronically ill and developmentally delayed. There was nothing like this when I was a child. http://www.academicpedsjnl.net/…/S1876-2859(10)002…/abstract (and that does not include things like pediatric cancers and SIDS) The current threat to your grandchildren in the 21st century is NOT short term, treatable communicable disease. It is life long autoimmunity and brain damage. If they are following mainstream medical protocols, odds are that half of your grandchildren will end up with the disorders on this list. Please read the list carefully. Please keep in mind that 18% of children in this country now are developmentally delayed or disabled.

Vaccines are but one source of this chemical assault, but they are likely the largest part for most children.

I am "offended" because I see you blowing off the information I sent you, and because I know there is a fifty/fifty shot that I will get an email from my mother in three years that says, "Susan McLean's grandchild was just diagnosed with insert neuroimmune disorder here and their doctors have not been able to find anything to help them. Where can I send her?" And my day will be spent looking for alt med resources that you guys can access locally (or fly half way across the country for depending on where baby is), and pay tens (or hundreds like our family) of thousands of dollars for out of pocket, because you didn't take the time to just read the literature I sent and do a basic risk benefit analysis on that specific child.

So if you want me not to be "offended" then please just read what I have sent you. Take a weekend, read through the links completely, and if you think that they are of no use to your family and that I am some version of a crazy person after that, then that is totally fine with me. I have resigned myself to the fact that most of the people in my old life will go to their graves believing I am. But I am loosing my damn mind watching child after child being pushed off the chemical cliff as I scream at the top of my lungs from the bottom of the cavern for parents to stop following us on the path that has destroyed our children.

Please do the research.

Ginger Taylor, MS

Surgeon General Uses Elmo to Sell Vaccines to Minors

It is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

It is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

Children cannot make informed consent decisions, so it is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

But that is what the Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, MD, MBA is doing.  And his target audience is three and a half year olds. While not so subtlety taunting those who are resistant to vaccinating.



The Surgeon General met with Elmo, a three and a half year old monster, to tell him that vaccines are safe.  I guess he didn't feel that a three and a half year old would understand what it meant if he said that vaccines were legally classified as "unavoidably unsafe," so that makes it OK to lie to him?



Elmo apparently believes the unethical government propaganda targeted at the the three and a half year old monster, as he shows up to the doctors office to get a shot.  Note that neither Elmo or his legal guardians are given the CDC Vaccine Information Sheet that the nurse is required by law to give him or his parents before a vaccine is administered. How will Elmo know that the adverse outcomes of some vaccines include seizures, coma, paralysis, brain damage and death?  What about Elmo's right to free, prior and informed consent?   Did they even ask his parents any questions to screen for potential vaccine reactions?

No need... "vaccines are safe,"  right?

One parent whose child has had some very severe adverse reactions was a bit concerned about this turn of events, so she decided to check in on Elmo and this is what she found:

Oh THAT'S why some people don't vaccinate!  Thanks for the lesson Elmo!



And now here's a baby with a vaccine induced seizure disorder.  She had 16 of them that day.



It is unethical to market pharmaceuticals to children.

You can remind the Surgeon General of that inconvenient fact at:

https://www.facebook.com/USSurgeonGeneral

and

https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General


Update:

My comment to Murthy on his hew fb page:

"Elmo has an excuse for believing that vaccines are "safe" and can "keep you healthy." He is only three years old. You on the other hand are a responsible grown up and an MD and THE top public health official and should know that vaccines are legally classified as "unavoidably unsafe" per the US Supreme Court, and can cause serious adverse out comes including seizures, coma, paralysis, brain damage and death in some people.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

Remove this unethical video. It defines propaganda to children. Three year olds are not able to participate in informed consent in medical decision making and it is UNETHICAL to direct marketing messages to them.

Further, there is an upsetting irony to this particular piece of propaganda. Many vaccine injured teens and adults, with serious brain damage and developmental disabilities, love Elmo. It is a slap in the face to those families. Especially when it ends with taunt at vaccine resistant families, "why doesn't everyone get a vaccination?" as if there was no federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program that has paid out $3 billion in damages to 4000 vaccine injury and death cases.

Vaccine injury families are suffering, few can get proper care for their children, and this rubs salt in the wounds."


Update:

Jeffrey Jaxen furthers the argument with a much less sarcastic piece:

Surgeon General Targets Children, Violates FTC & FDA laws?


Update:

Marco Cáceres remarks on how aggressive and comprehensive this vaccine push is:

Vaccines: It's Elmo's World

Updates;

Video of Elmo's regression has surfaced:




Update:

Murthy's bullshit response to parental complaints, where he doubles down that in his non qualified, false claim that vaccines are "safe."

U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy Responds To A We The People Petition On Vaccinations

"Hello, I’m Dr. Vivek Murthy, the Surgeon General of the United States. I want to thank you for taking time to sign a “We the People” petition on the issue of mandatory vaccines.

I understand you are concerned about laws that require individuals to be vaccinated, including those which require children to have certain vaccines as a prerequisite to attending public schools, group activities and daycare. I know that many of you are parents who are concerned about your children’s health and safety.

When I started this job, I traveled around the country during the height of a measles outbreak and heard from parents who have deep-seated fears about the potential side-effects of vaccines. I know you want only the best for your children. I do, too. Others of you may have signed this petition because you object to the idea that government should be able to require anyone to get a vaccine. You may ask if government should be able to tell people what to inject in their bodies? That is a reasonable question to ask. I understand your fears and I appreciate your concerns. Safeguarding your rights and upholding the responsibilities of a government that is dedicated to serving its people is one of my greatest privileges and most important duties as your Surgeon General. That is why I want you to know that the evidence on the safety and benefit of vaccines is strong

and consistent: Vaccines are safe and effective ways to prevent disease and death. I join healthcare leaders and public health experts from around the world in supporting childhood vaccination programs.

Most of us grew up in a time when we didn’t have to live through terrible epidemics that killed millions of children and adults.

We can be grateful for that. It was because of vaccines that we have been spared the tragedy of past epidemics.

For example, before the development of the measles vaccine, many children contracted measles and died in the United States every year and even more were hospitalized. After the introduction of the vaccine, the number of infections and deaths dropped precipitously. Measles is a highly contagious disease. If you aren’t vaccinated and are exposed, you have a 90 percent chance of getting it.

We know that measles spreads when an infected person breathes, coughs or sneezes. It spreads so easily that if one person has it, nine out of 10 people close to that person will also become infected unless they are vaccinated or otherwise immune.

In fact, you can get measles just by being in the same room as a person who has it – even several hours after that person has left.

As a doctor, I know that one of the most important things people can do to protect their children from diseases like measles is to get them vaccinated.

And not vaccinating your children doesn’t just affect your own kids. It affects other kids too.

Consider this: some people cannot get immunized for medical reasons – for example, due to an allergic reaction or compromised immune system. And a small percentage of people won’t develop immunity even though they receive a vaccine.

These children and adults who cannot receive or do not respond to vaccines rely on the rest of us to be vaccinated in order to protect them from exposure to life-threatening illnesses. It’s called “herd immunity” and it’s based on the concept that we are part of a social structure that requires us to take responsibility for one another.

That is why getting vaccinated is more than an issue of personal choice or religious preference. It is also a matter of public policy, where one person’s decision affects another person’s health.

Our individual liberties to live on our own terms cannot interfere with our social responsibility to protect others from harm.

We inhabit this planet with more than 7 billion people. And every day, we have to make accommodations – great and small – to live and work and learn and play in the communities we share.

Laws regarding vaccine requirements and exemption policies are determined by your state and local governments.

Right now, all states in the U.S. require children to be vaccinated against certain communicable diseases as a condition of school attendance.

There are some employers – such as health care facilities and day care centers – that require vaccinations to protect their employees as well as their customers.

If you have specific questions about what vaccines to get and why, I encourage you to talk to your doctor.

In recent years, there has been some inaccurate information circulating about vaccines – mostly stemming from a British study linking vaccines to autism.

Please know that this study and its assertions have been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. It’s not true and the confusion it has generated has been both dangerous and counterproductive to public health.

So let me be absolutely clear: there is no link between the measles vaccine and autism. In closing, I want you to know that it is understandable to have concerns and questions about how to keep your children healthy and safe.

For those of you who are parents – as I hope to be someday – you may have questions about which vaccines are being administered at a specific doctor’s visit and how to recognize and manage any potential side effects.

I always encourage parents to raise these kinds of questions with their children’s health care providers who are trained and experienced in handling vaccines.

When it comes to keeping our nation strong, healthy and secure, we all have a role to play. Vaccinations are one of the great triumphs of science and public policy. Through vaccines, we eliminated the scourges of polio, smallpox and so many childhood diseases that once plagued our nation.

The best way to benefit from these advances in medicine is to get the necessary vaccines for you and your family.

If you have further questions about this topic, please visit www.vaccines.gov. Thank you again for participating in this “We the People” petition.

Our democracy works best when everyone participates in constructive public dialogue."

A Note on Who You May or May Not Want To Follow in the California Fight on SB 277

Hey Californians! First... brilliant job yesterday and for the last several months on educating your Senators on the insanity of SB 277! Cried watching the hearings, and laughed/danced at the outcome. The pressure needs to stay on, but I will be shocked at this point if the bill is not dead this time next week. We should plan an online party next wed night! (Sure I'm getting ahead of myself, but we need some happy time after all this, don't we?)

But on to more somber and less fun topics.

The fight on this bill in CA has woken up and brought in so many new people to the war to defend our parental and health choice rights, which is wonderful! WELCOME TO YOU ALL! STAY IN THIS FIGHT! THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS ETERNAL VIGILANCE! But unfortunately it also risks allowing shills, trolls, spies, and the just plain troublesome people into the fold as well, as has happened many times before. (I now get AT LEAST one troll a day trying to friend me on FB.)

As there have been some questions about a couple of the new people taking leadership positions about which there have been concerns, and as I am one of those people who vets newcomers to make sure they are legit and safe, etc, I was asked by some people in CA to look into WTF was going on. This is my WTF report. It represents the findings and opinions of me, myself and I, and is in no way associated with any group that I have worked for, orgs that I am affiliated with, individuals that I know, people that I may or may not be married to, or humans to which I have given birth. Buck stopping here, etc, etc.

So one of the many FB groups that has popped up to fight SB 277 is a group called Our Kids Our Choice (sister group is  Our Kids,Our Choice Community). It was started by a woman named Kristin Hundley and one of the admins there is another woman named Elizabeth Hanson. They started the group in February, and it has quickly grown to almost 7,000 people. They were working with the larger coalition of groups, called the California Coalition for Health Choice (not formally affiliated with HealthChoice.org of which I am in leadership), which includes many of our more well known activists who have been working on these issues for a decade or more.

Long story short, Ms. Hundley, and to a lesser extent, Ms. Hanson, have exhibited behavior over the last few month that have resulted in everyone in the CCHC, except for one individual, refusing to work with them, and this week the questions that were finally being asked were, “WTF? Who are these people, and are they Pharma sent to be a bother to us?” Enter Ginger Taylor to find out WTF.

Before launching into this, I want to be clear that I HAVE ONLY LOOKED INTO THESE TWO WOMEN, AND WHAT I AM REPORTING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THE OTHER ADMINS ON THE GROUP OR ANY OF THE GROUP MEMBERS. They may be saints straight from heaven for all I know.  I have not talked to them in person, but online chats with them give me the impression that they are sincere and may not even know about all the problems.

The concerns included the reports that:

- No one could be found that had actually met either of them in person.

- They had never attended hearings or any events.
- These two women may be one person, after one was contacting people from her own fb account but giving people the other's name in chats.

- They were asking for 50k in funding that was going directly to Kristin Hundley personally from a go fund me page with out anyone confirming who she was or having a way to confirm how the money would actually be spent. (They are not a non-profit or a PAC or any legal entity, there is no way to track funding, no one had met them or knew their addresses, there were not receipts offered to the group, all things that make Kristin's fund raising suspect.)
- That Kristin was trying to turn this into a full time paid position for herself riding off the reputation of the orgs in the CCHC.

- They were collecting personal information from people (full name, city, county, number of children in school, etc) through an online survey with out the community knowing where that information would go or would be used. Note there is no claim that the personal information will be kept private and not shared outside of OKOC.

- They were head hunting from other groups trying to take regional leaders from existing groups for their own efforts.

- They were making demands of long time activists with standing when, they had no track record and no one could confirm who they were in the real world. Their only standing was that they had a fb group of 6,000+ people.
- They had put up a web site that does not list their names, any officers of the group, any address, any legal filing/standing/affiliation, not even a phone number.  The site has no identifying information on it.  [Update: someone called to tell me that there is a phone number on the moble version of the site, but not on the web version of the site.]
- They are using pictures of the CA rally that they did not help organize, finance or attend to promote their group with out the permission of the photographers or the organizers of the rally.
- They were just very difficult people to work with and a good deal of time and energy was being spent trying to manage their personalities and the conflicts that they were stirring up rather than fighting Pan.
- They may be opposition plants here to divert money, time, resources, people, etc away from the efforts.

Usually these kinds of concerns work themselves out after a few months when people's work stands or falls on its own, but the CA fight is too important to be that indulgent here as we need every minute and every dollar to be used effectively. Since this came up on Tuesday, the day before the Ed. Committee hearings, ain't nobody got time for dat. As it is still not over... still no time for dat.

So I put out the word that there may be a problem with these women, and started asking lots of people if they knew these women offline, and found that, in fact, no one had ever laid eyes on either one of them. I was given a phone number for Kristin and called her to figure out what was going on, and ended up having two phone calls with both of them on the line for more than an hour. A fourth party also was on the line for most of the conversation.

I can report that these are two women, both in California, whose identities I have been able to confirm independently. Elizabeth does have a financial conflict of interest, as her husband works for a biotech company, but she reported it to me the first time I asked them to disclose any potential conflicts of interest. I WAS QUITE CONVINCED BY OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT THEY EARNESTLY CARE ABOUT, AND ARE WORKING TOWARD, VACCINE CHOICE RIGHTS AND ARE NOT TROLLS OR SHILLS OR SPIES.

However...

My experience with them over the last two days in trying to give them a chance to be vetted so that they might back earn some of the trust and benefit of the doubt that they were initially given, was that they are very difficult, entitled women who do not have the requisite maturity for leadership in our community.

Their response toward me was a pretty rude, “Who are you?” Despite the fact that they were actually sharing stories I had written and Health Choice's video content. I initially tried with some subtly to let them know that I am someone who has been around for a while, that many people trust and and that I sometimes look into problems in the community to make sure that people in leadership are safe people, and if I find they arn't, I let people know so they can make informed choices on who to be involved with. They didn't really seem to hear me. After a few times of having to explain who I was, they again asked something to the effect of, “how do we even know.... “ and I actually had to flat out say to them, in a quite annoyed tone, “I am powerful in this community. If I report on you, people will believe what I say.” No one who has earned any standing in any community should have to actually say those words out loud to someone else who wants to be in leadership in that community. It felt absolutely gross to say. It was one step away from, “Do you know who I am?!” Ugh...

I sent them my bio, the book, the debate and a few of my other bona fides, but they didn't respond to them.

Long story short, I asked for their home addresses (and gave them mine and promised that their information would stay private) so that I could verify who they were. They refused. I asked them for receipts of the money they had spent, or the names of individuals I could contact that they had contracted with that could confirm that they were being paid to work on the issue (or even whose expenses were being paid). They refused. I asked them to simply email me so I could have their email addresses to do a search on them. They said they would email me. That was two days ago and no emails. I sent them several fb messages to tell them unless they gave me something to independently verify their identities/view their online presence/know that they are not pocketing the $1,600 that they have raised out of the $50,000 they have asked for, I would be writing publicly about their lack of transparency and the unanswered questions and concerns about them. Their response was that they were contacting their lawyers.

This is what their gofund me page reports that the money is for:

“These costs include:
- lobbyists/political strategists’ fees
- legal fees
- website hosting, domain hosting, and web creation fees
- PO box and phone number fees
- stock photo licensing fees
- photocopying/binding fees
- bookkeeping/accounting fees
- video/photo editing fees “

It is reasonable for a group member to ask for verification that the money is being used thusly. They refused to offer any verification that it is or will be used thusly.

This is how the conversation ended:

• Ginger Taylor
  

  
  
  

  I see that you have been reading my messaes and have stopped responding. And I have not yet heard from Kristin on anything since our phone call last night. So this is the note I put out this morning privately to the individuals who have been asking me about you. If you decide to change your course and give me some infomation so that I can verify you are earnest players and not taking advantage of the situation to raise money for yourselves, please let me know.
  
  

  "So just a heads up. I have been trying to follow up with the information on these women since I talked to them last night, and this crap just keeps getting weirder and more strange. People sending me screen caps of odd conversations, Elizabeth posing as Kristin, very odd. And I although they said they would email me so I could at least confirm who they were, they haven't.

  
  

  Then when I found out that they were trying to raise 50k, with out even so much as an address for the group or for Kristin (who the money from the gofundme page is going straight to) I asked them for some sort of recipets or references from someone that they had contracted with to do work on the hearings, and they won't send me any information They also refused to give me their addresses, even though I gave them mine and assured them that their info would be kept private.

  
  

  Group leadership is responsible to the group to account for finances raised by the group, and they are denying any information on the money quesions from a group member.

  
  

  So I am going to give them until the end of the day to do something that can be independently verified and then if they don't, put out a public statement recommending that people be cautious with these two and only give donations to verified groups like the CCA or CCHC.

  
  

  I don't think they are pharma trolls or spies, but perhaps opportunists and at the very least they lack the minimum maturity required for a leadership role in our community. My experience with them is that they come accross as very entitled and demanding, and don't seem to think that they are accountable for their actions, even to their own group members."
• 

  4/15, 11:55am
  

  Kristen Hundley
  

  
  

  We are consulting with our legal team on how to proceed in communication with you. We will contact you at the appropriate time.
• 

  4/15, 12:49pm
  

  Ginger Taylor
  

  
  

  Ok. Will be publishing tomorrow, so let me know any information you want me to have before then.
• 

  4/15, 3:19pm
  

  Kristen Hundley
  

  
  

  What exactly will you be publishing? I just want to be clear. It sounds like what you are saying is that of we do not comply with your demands, you will publish derogatory and incriminating information about us as individuals and our group as a whole. Do I have that correct?
• 

  4/15, 3:29pm
  

  Ginger Taylor
  

  
  

  I have just given you a run down of where I am on you right now. It will be something to that effect. You are free to keep private what ever information you want. And I am free to investigate you and to warn the community if I think that you are not on the up and up. I am an investgative writer. That is what I do.
• 

  4/15, 3:34pm
  

  Kristen Hundley
  

  
  

  I see. Thank you.
• Today
• 

  9:09am
  

  Ginger Taylor
  

  
  

  I will be publishing in the next hourish, so please let me know now if you plan on sending any infromation to me that I can use to vet you guys or your claims.
• 

  10:12am
  

  Kristen Hundley
  

  
  

  Hi Ginger...I am still confused about what you are publishing. You can easily google us to find out who we are. Have you done any investigation that would lead you to believe that we are *not* as you say "on the up and up". You are demanding that we give you our personal information and stating that if we don't you will publish incriminating things about us. Please clarify if that is your position.
• 

  10:20am
  

  Ginger Taylor
  

  
  

  This is what I am publishing. Going up in about five minutes. I will send you the link once it is up:

And then I sent them the draft this article.

To sum up my read on them:
- Care very much about vaccine choice
- Not pharma plants
- Not mature people
- Not qualified for leadership
- At best they may be niave on this work and on how to treat fellow activists, but I will go so far as to say that my experience of these women are that they are entitled brats who don't seem to think that they are accountable for their actions, not even to members of their own organization.

I strongly encourage them to re-evalute their approach to advocacy and how they treat fellow advocates, and wish them the best of luck in their future endeavors.

So, my recommendations to you the California Pan Fighting Facebooker:

- If you have donated to their go fund me page, you may want to consider either ask them for some verifiable information on who they are and what the money is being used for, or get your money back.
- If you want to donate to the California efforts, the two reputable groups that I know of to do that through are the CCA (https://www.calchiro.org/) or The Canary Party (http://canaryparty.org/index.php/donate - 100% of all donations tagged “California” go straight to the CCHC efforts.)
- Members of the OKOC page may want to do their own vetting on the leadership of that group to see if they can get more information than I was able to before giving them your trust.
- If you have taken their online survey you may want to ask what that information will be used for and if it will remain private.
- Follow the recommendations of the CCHC if you are in the California fight.
- If you consider me a trusted source, don't automatically assume that any group I am in is one I actually have vetted and support, or that anyone on my friend's list is a safe person. I have nearly 4,500 fb friends and am in hundreds of group (because people can add me to whatever).  I am sure that there are tolls both among my fb followers or in those groups.

If anyone has more information on who they are, and whether or not you have a trusted relationship with them, please post below.  I could not find anyone who did, but I only had two days to look.

As always, as this fight for vaccine choice rights becomes more and more intense, it is wise for us to pay attention to who is in leadership.  Different groups take different approaches, and I actually think that is great.  We all need to find a group that we can trust and who shares our goals and values.

If OKOC is your group of choice, then great.  I earnestly wish you all the success in the world.  Just want to encourage you to pay closer attention to your leadership in this very, very important battle to make sure that little red flags and problems don't become huge problems that hamstring the actual work.

I let them know I would post any statement that they sent me on this matter.

Correction:  They actually have two FB groups and I had confused one for the other.  They are now both listed and links are correct.

Update:  Kristen and Elizabth have cirulated a video via drop box.

Update: 4/17 Kristen posts to the OKOC group:

Kristen Hundley

Hi folks. I'm writing to clear up some questions an rumors. I'm sorry my response took so long. I'm a human after all and I have been hurt by all the accusations just like I'm sure anyone of you would be if you were attacked. I realize unfortunately this is part of the political game. To clear things up I want you to know that I'm hiring an accountant to manage the go fund me account. It's currently sitting in escrow. This was always the plan. I realize now it was a mistake to not address that immediately. If you go to the go fund me page now you will see that how the funds will be spent is clearly outlined. I will also be adding my bio to the website as the founder of the group. I hope all of you will see my full transparency. I'm a single mom doing the best I can and have devoted all my free time to OKOC and our cause. I am at work today as I'm sure many of you are but I just wanted to quickly address your concerns and let you know that I'm listening. I'd appreciate in return that you understand that with a full time job I'm doing all of this completely in my spare time and am handling them as quickly as possible. Thank you all for your continued efforts and commitment. I will continue to do everything I can to help us defeat this bill.

Update 4/17 I have had a few more specific requests on where to go for information on the California efforts for those looking for daily updates and directions.  I recommend the California Coalition for Vaccine Choice. https://www.facebook.com/groups/393039350720224/



Update:

Statement by the California Coalition for Health Choice:

"CCHC Continues To Grow & Show Strength

The California Coalition for Health Choice (CCHC) is a grassroots umbrella organization that advocates for the preservation of parental rights regarding medical decisions for their children.  CCHC represents thousands of parents, healthcare professionals and concerned citizens who oppose SB277.

The CCHC-YFYC has been the leader in setting direction for legislative advocacy and media strategy.  CCHC was responsible for recruiting Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Eric Gladen, Dr. Bob Sears and others for our Sacramento and San Diego Rallies.  These rallies were broadcast statewide.  CCHC was also responsible for orchestrating testimony, and mobilizing the thousands of people who attended the Senate Health & Education Committee hearings. CCHC is responsible for the largest victory to date, which is to delay a vote in Senate Education Committee.  This clearly demonstrates that we are being heard.

CCHC consists of many advocacy and grassroots organizations, including: Californians for Health Choice; Your Family, Your Choice - People for Informed Consent; the Canary Party; California Coalition for Vaccine Choice; People Against Mandatory Vaccines, Weston Price Foundation and many others.  CCHC also seeks counsel, support and resources from other organizations, including the California Chiropractic Association.

CCHC is in no way affiliated with a group called Our Kids, Our Choice. There has been confusion as this group has posted pictures of the events, and presented themselves as involved in our Coalition.   CCHC has made several attempts to work with OKOC leadership, and these attempts have failed.  OKOC has no interest in working with CCHC. While this is unfortunate, we do welcome members of OKOC who share in our mission to join our cause.

For questions or to officially become part of CCHC, please contact us at cchcyfyc@gmail.com.

Please refer all media inquiries to Jean Munoz Keese via private message, and/or email CCHCMedia@yahoo.com."

Update Jan 2016:

Some have asked how this played out.  I encouraged Kristin to speak with someone who had a good understanding of financing laws and accountability for such donations.  She determined that it was not wise to be collecting funds the way she had been doing, and donated the money to the California Chiropractic Association.

OKOC has since become a 501c4 corporation, so their financial accountability is no longer in question, and everyone seems back on the path to doing the work that so badly needs to be done.

No pharma shills, legitimacy of those involved has been esstablished, and its all good.