tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771487.post7762964191115311343..comments2024-03-27T15:43:53.969-04:00Comments on Adventures in Autism: Vaccine Strain Polio Death in MinnesotaGinger Taylorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04200286625735078479noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771487.post-27588758148890791722009-04-26T15:57:00.000-04:002009-04-26T15:57:00.000-04:00I want to comment on this quote: "It is my underst...I want to comment on this quote: "It is my understanding that part of the reason polio is still active in India and Nigeria is because they use the OPV."<br /><br />This is not true. Where did this come from? Studies have shown that polio is persisting in India (to be specific, parts of Northern India) because of multiple reasons such as very high population density and poor sanitation (both of which facilitate transmission) and high rates of diarrhoea (which prevent OPV from working as well as it could do). In Nigeria, the persistence of polio stems from a vaccine boycott which occurred in 2003/4 when some religious leaders spread rumours that OPV would sterilise children. This caused a huge outbreak which spread to around 20 countries worldwide. While there has been some improvement in vaccine uptake, it is still not adequate and when you add in inadequacies in the healthcare system which result in some children not being reached the result is that too many children are unvaccinated and polio continues to spread amongst them.<br /><br />You might be getting confused with circulating Vaccine Derived Polioviruses (cVDPVs). In very rare cases, OPV can recombine with other enteroviruses in the gut of the vaccinee and produce a polio virus which can be transmitted from child to child. By rare I mean that there have been around 12 such outbreaks from several billion doses of OPV administered worldwide (i.e. much smaller risk than a child is at when in a moving vehicle) and they only spread amongst unvaccinated children (i.e. complete vaccination and these wouldn't even be a problem). There is one such outbreak in Nigeria currently (circulating due to the aforementioned low vaccine coverage). There has never been such an outbreak in India.Helenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453999749634238305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7771487.post-22639156651655186352009-04-17T01:58:00.000-04:002009-04-17T01:58:00.000-04:00Oh great - the Great Media Polio Scare of 2009 sta...Oh great - the Great Media Polio Scare of 2009 starts.. in Minnesota..<br /><br />Actually, polio is one disease that I would <I>not</I> want to take a chance on with doing a non-vax study.. I know of the arguments that more polio is caused by the vaccine (at least an attenuated form of it) than live, and that sanitation may mean there would be no return, but given the severity of the possible sequelae - iron lungs - it's not a chance I'd want to take.<br /><br />Ironically, it seems like OPV should be <I>better<I> than IPV from the point of view that OPPV, unlike the injected (but inactivated) vaccine actually goes through the gut, and actually </I>does</I> have to pass through one of those "front-lines" of the immune system which all injected vaccines get a free pass on ("lucky shots" I suppose you could say for a really bad pun)<br /><br />Now, my stance on doing a vaxed-unvaxed study of polio would change if one thing were done:<br /><br />(To the CDC, WHO, FDA, and anyone else who might care to listen:)<br /><br /><B>Do a G-damn study of the high-dose vitamin C protocol, which is anecdotally reported (back when it was still reported used at all) to be able to cure polio</B>Including that oh-so-nasty symptom of partial or total paralysis of everything including the diaphragm..<br /><br />More (anecdotal) information can be found on the following website:<br /><br /><A HREF="http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=polio+'vitamin+c%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8" REL="nofollow">Google Search for 'polio vitamin C'</A><A HREF="http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm" REL="nofollow">The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C (by Robert Landwehr)</A><A HREF="http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinical_guide_1988.htm" REL="nofollow">Clinical Guide to the Use of Vitamin C</A><A HREF="http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio.html" REL="nofollow">Polio prevention & treatment</A> However, this is a 'whale.to' link, and thus (insert all necessary sarcasm) can be safely consigned to the scrap heap of junk information on the internet..<br /><A HREF="http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm" REL="nofollow"><br />The Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C (Fred R. Klenner, M.D, Southern Medicine & Surgery, July 1949)</A> However, as above, 'Southern Medicine & Surgery' is a journal that I doubt <I>anyone</I> (including me) has ever heard of before, and strongly resembles the notorious or infamous (depending on your chosen side of the 'autism fence'..) 'Journal of Physicians and Surgeons" - and so can be safely consigned to the junk heap of junk internet science as above - at least if you're the type who doesn't want to even <I>look</I> for answers to things like.. oh.. <I>autism</I> - or polio..<br /><br />Finally, to quote <A HREF="http://www.doctoryourself.com/vitaminc.html" REL="nofollow">another questionable website ("Vitamin C Has Been Known To Cure Over 30 Major Diseases For Over 50 Years")</A>, regarding Dr. Klenner's (*ahem* <I>anecdotal</I>) curing of poliovirus via vitamin C treatment:<br /><br /><I>It is difficult to ignore his success, but it has been done. Dr. Klenner wrote: "Some physicians would stand by and see their patient die rather than use ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) because in their finite minds it exists only as a vitamin."</I>So, to repeat my original charge to all the major health organizations around the globe, <B>TEST THE DAMN HYPOTHESIS!!</B>This is how we usually answer interesting scientific and medical questions - we test them. Given that polio is still endemic in various parts of the developing world even now, it seems difficult to truly make an ethical argument against this treatment, when the large scale infrastructure for implementation of the "proven treatment" (vaccination) does not yet exist. Especially in places where polio has <I>already occurred</I>. Klenner reported that the high-dose Vitamin C treatment was not only effective at stopping polio from damaging motor nerves, but also had some success in reversing existing poliomyelitis symptoms (i.e. paralysis).<br /><br />So, Bill Gates Foundation, do it! You (speaking to the entire Foundation) of anyone certainly have the money to do such a trial, as well as manage to actually get it published somewhere where it will be read (i.e. <I>not</I> in (sic) JPANDS or Medical Hypotheses) Unless you really <I>don't</I> want to known the answer to the burning question, "can polio be cured?" I can't for the life of me imagine why.<br /><br />Of course, you could ask the same thing about another burning question of the day, "can chelation help autism?" That question hasn't been answered either, thanks to some person unknown somewhere (my money is on the NImH) who cancelled the damn study over one study in <I>rats</I>! Moreover, these were (presumably) <I>neurotypical rats</I>.<br /><br />At least I assume they were neurotypical rats (how do you run an autism test on a rat, anyway?!) Perhaps <I>autistic rats</I> would have had (to put it very bluntly), less to "lose" from any <I>potential</I> brain damage cause by the DMSA. And, does anyone know whether these rats were getting adequate replacement doses of all those metals that are required for life that the chelators take out as well as the bad stuff? You know, things like zinc, chromium, magnesium, calcium, cobalt (in B12), etc?Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10951570753949444116noreply@blogger.com